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So, just a curiosity. What would happen if concord left 0.5 - 0.7?
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-10-26 19:40:18 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:

This is nothing more than someone wanting to grief people who make the choice not to pvp. Nothing more.


PvP is not griefing. Whether you agreed to it or not. CCP strictly defines griefing, and it doesn't fit what you seem to be calling it.

Their "choice" does not matter. PvP belongs everywhere in EVE, because EVE is a PvP game.


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And for the record....all you null-bears becoming friends in nullsec tells a different story.


I live in highsec, numbskull. But thanks for the obvious strawman, I didn't think you had a real argument anyway.



Of course you do.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-10-26 19:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Syn Shi
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#43 - 2014-10-26 19:43:55 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:

This is nothing more than someone wanting to grief people who make the choice not to pvp. Nothing more.


PvP is not griefing. Whether you agreed to it or not. CCP strictly defines griefing, and it doesn't fit what you seem to be calling it.

Their "choice" does not matter. PvP belongs everywhere in EVE, because EVE is a PvP game.


Quote:

And for the record....all you null-bears becoming friends in nullsec tells a different story.


I live in highsec, numbskull. But thanks for the obvious strawman, I didn't think you had a real argument anyway.



Of course you do.


Yes, I do have a real argument. I was stating that you do not, hence your strawman. A long time ago I was a line member in a nullsec alliance, but after the Great War resulted in my being homeless I have wandered about in a period of extended vagrancy. (not in real life, the EVE Great War)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#44 - 2014-10-26 19:45:03 UTC
Although it should have been obvious to me that you didn't have a real argument anyway, given that you are posting as a worthless NPC alt.

Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#45 - 2014-10-26 19:52:08 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
How dare someone play Eve the way they want to and not want to be forced into playing the way you want them to.
But that's the whole point. In this sandbox we call Eve, people will and do interfere with your game. It's not forcing you to do anything, it's simply the reality of the game.

You don't play chess, then complain the pieces don't move like checkers. So why complain about competition, in a game which allows anyone to compete with you?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Josef Djugashvilis
#46 - 2014-10-26 19:53:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Although it should have been obvious to me that you didn't have a real argument anyway, given that you are posting as a worthless NPC alt.

Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.


Poor Kaarous, always so angry...

Why does it matter if someone uses an NPC alt to post?

It is just your way of trying to belittle someone.

You are still my favourite crazy poster.

This is not a signature.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#47 - 2014-10-26 19:57:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.


You have my Ibis.

Big smileBlinkPirate

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#48 - 2014-10-26 20:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.


You have my Ibis.

Big smileBlinkPirate

And my Reaper

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#49 - 2014-10-26 20:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Without reading the first post my answer is mayhem, absolute mayhem. Pirate

edit: oh and you can have my velator but don't scratch the paint, ok.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-10-26 21:30:39 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Although it should have been obvious to me that you didn't have a real argument anyway, given that you are posting as a worthless NPC alt.

Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.

I do not see your real life credentials posted anywhere. So to me, like the rest of the anonymous posters on this forum, you're just another person connected to the net to me.

And I am not fond of people in real life in general.
Serene Repose
#51 - 2014-10-26 21:32:25 UTC
The areas of space people don't use would get even bigger.

What would happen if the people who want to play low sec went out to low sec and played low sec?

Oh, I know. This a stealth "low sec is lonely, how can I force people to come play with me" thread.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2014-10-26 23:09:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Although it should have been obvious to me that you didn't have a real argument anyway, given that you are posting as a worthless NPC alt.

Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.


uh huh

... and create a "one man GD posting corp" problem instead :D
Mag's
Azn Empire
#53 - 2014-10-26 23:31:45 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Although it should have been obvious to me that you didn't have a real argument anyway, given that you are posting as a worthless NPC alt.

Seems it's time to renew the "Ban NPC corps from posting in GD" movement again.


uh huh

... and create a "one man GD posting corp" problem instead :D
Oh come on, this is an old argument and has been talked to death. CAOD has shown this restriction can work, just not how you depict it. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#54 - 2014-10-27 00:18:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No, because that's what EVE is. I can't count how many Dev statements I have seen that state unequivocally that EVE is a PvP game first, last, and always.

Can someone link me some of these statements? I'm interested because I have always understood differently as per this one (which you have probably all seen before):
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
We often hear "EVE is a PvP game, PvE is secondary". To this we would like to respond that EVE is a sandbox and shouldn’t necessarily favor one side over the other. What you do with it is up to you: all player activities should feel as appealing and rewarding no matter which choice you take, as long as you are willing to live up with the consequences of your actions.

Link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2462718#post2462718

As for the OP I don't think making lowsec larger will improve much. I'd very much like to see dynamic sec status (Uedama would be 0.4 in about three minutes) especially since this would result in a less contiguous highsec. And highsec pockets in deep null :)

But I don't really care if some people choose to play their game in the relative safety of highsec. I'm sure CCP appreciates the subs and I'd prefer more players than less.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#55 - 2014-10-27 01:10:55 UTC
Zappity wrote:

Can someone link me some of these statements?


Here's a recent one.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4964192#post4964192

That sums it up pretty nicely. Upon reading it, I called it the "Falcon Punch".

For a more detailed summary, I suggest this delightful minerbumping article.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/falcon-punch-ccp-fights-for-its-soul.html

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#56 - 2014-10-27 01:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
If you want an older source, here is a direct quote from the game's FAQ:

New Pilot FAQ wrote:

5.3 SOME PLAYER JUST SHOT ME; IS THAT ALLOWED?
In EVE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no
matter where they happen to be. This is because EVE Online is essentially
a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core.


Emphasis mine, of course.

[edit: But wait, there's more!

New Pilot FAQ wrote:
The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox
environment.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nevil Oscillator
#57 - 2014-10-27 02:19:48 UTC
Yolandar wrote:


Security status a thing of the past. An outlaw in Caldari space could be a hero in The Federation. And you could let the FW peeps do hunting too, give em those LPs and standings for killing their enemies.



I've been suggesting that too, got called a troll for it.

I haven't moved on to what to do with Concord because I think this one is a bit more tricky.

I like the OP idea, maybe it is a little to detailed with specifics but in essence perhaps there lies a solution in the direction.

The predictability of security level that Concord can be timed to always arrive to the nearest second.

The reliability of Concord, that it can permanently guarantee that level of security

As previously suggested for null, borders could temporarily move into low sec raising the sec level or something similar.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-10-27 02:27:23 UTC
1) Being an open-PVP sandbox does not translate into the devs should change the rules to force everyone to PvP. That removes the sandbox.

2) If there is really a need to force PvE players to PvP ( a hopeless exercise as they will quit rather than PvP) the place to start is the renters in bluesec. Bluesec renters are much more PvP adverse than hisec just fly through a renter system as a non blue and see what happens.
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#59 - 2014-10-27 02:28:09 UTC
There would be new forum posts speculating about what would happen if CONCORD left 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0 systems... oh yeah, and people would complain about how dead the new low sec 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems had become...just sayin'
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#60 - 2014-10-27 05:35:10 UTC
Thanks for the quotes Kaarous. I was aware of the Falcon posts but don't think they quite translate to this situation. There is a difference between maintaining risk in highsec and converting highsec to lowsec.

The level of risk in EVE is already significantly higher than in many other MMOs because of permanent loss. As long as there is reasonable risk of such loss in all spaces (perhaps excluding some noob zones) then I don't have a problem with people choosing to play the game more safely.

We currently have a situation where something like the Hulk which gives good yield is not really tenable in many areas because it is so easy to gank. This sounds balanced to me.

Hasikan Miallok wrote:
1) Being an open-PVP sandbox does not translate into the devs should change the rules to force everyone to PvP. That removes the sandbox.

Pretty much this.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.