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Tranquility - Statistics Graph

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-10-26 17:44:47 UTC
I don't see this as an Eve is Dying thread

Just a request to 'see the medical records'

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#22 - 2014-10-26 18:00:50 UTC
The subject of this discussion demonstrates how willing people are to believe information they think supports their preconceived notions. The "EVE is dying/in trouble" crowd (people who for the most part don't like significant parts of EVE and/or it's community in the 1st place) preached for years that EVE was dying , even in the fact of rising subscriptions and higher PCU counts. Now that CCP isn't saying anything and that graph exists, the same people are pumped into overdrive (perhaps some see this as their chance to convince CCP to implement the changes they want to see...or think they want to see lol)

They totally discount mitigating factors that could explain what they are seeing, such as multiple character training (which eliminates some of the need to maintain multiple accounts) and people consolidating characters on fewer accounts in response to rising in game PLEX prices.

CCP partially set the stage for this by trumpeting their growth numbers and basically allowing folks to think that the EVE "player base" (rather than just it's number of subscriptions) was growing. The fact is, their is no proof one way or the other of any decline (or rise) in the number of human players, and there never has been.

None of the above will stop those with an agenda from thinking otherwise of course.
Ama Scelesta
#23 - 2014-10-26 18:06:29 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
I don't see this as an Eve is Dying thread

Just a request to 'see the medical records'

m


I'm sure they're already available to the proper medical professionals. I'm not sure what would be gained by letting the general public access to them. Other than having a lot of internet doctors chiming in with their diagnosis on the situation and generating ample amounts of high quality forum threads.


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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#24 - 2014-10-26 19:22:52 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
That graph gives accounts online, not players.

CCP has the information but they don't make it available.

Seeing as you cannot be online on the same account with two characters, isn't that the same? Account/Players?

What? No. By player, I mean the specific person that's logged into their account(s), not characters and not accounts themselves.

So even Replicator xxxx and oodell and all of your highsec multiboxing ice miners still only count as one player online, each, even if they may be controlling upwards of 10 accounts at a time.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#25 - 2014-10-26 19:23:54 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
That graph gives accounts online, not players.

CCP has the information but they don't make it available.


CCP just looks at the accounts logged in whether the account is paid directly or via plex.

That really doesn't matter, though...
Prince Kobol
#26 - 2014-10-26 19:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Jenn aSide wrote:
The subject of this discussion demonstrates how willing people are to believe information they think supports their preconceived notions. The "EVE is dying/in trouble" crowd (people who for the most part don't like significant parts of EVE and/or it's community in the 1st place) preached for years that EVE was dying , even in the fact of rising subscriptions and higher PCU counts. Now that CCP isn't saying anything and that graph exists, the same people are pumped into overdrive (perhaps some see this as their chance to convince CCP to implement the changes they want to see...or think they want to see lol)

They totally discount mitigating factors that could explain what they are seeing, such as multiple character training (which eliminates some of the need to maintain multiple accounts) and people consolidating characters on fewer accounts in response to rising in game PLEX prices.

CCP partially set the stage for this by trumpeting their growth numbers and basically allowing folks to think that the EVE "player base" (rather than just it's number of subscriptions) was growing. The fact is, their is no proof one way or the other of any decline (or rise) in the number of human players, and there never has been.

None of the above will stop those with an agenda from thinking otherwise of course.


Whilst everything you say is true, I do believe that subscription numbers have dropped.

Every developer loves to tell everybody and anybody when their subscription numbers are growing as its a great advertising tool. Its easier to sell your game when you can claim x number of people are joining.

That usually changes when numbers drop as it puts people off. Not many people want to invest time nad money in a game when people are leaving, so they stop giving out numbers.

Also whilst the PCU is not a interdictive of falling subs, it still doesn't look good when numbers are at their lowest for what, 6 years?

No matter how you might explain it, it does not give the impression that all is well.

Yes you can say nobody has any concrete proof, but it works both ways. All you can do is take what evidence we have and make our own judgements. My own personal judgement is that more people are leaving then joining and people have cut the number of active accounts they have.
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