Warfare & Tactics

Eve as a PVE game isn't that great, but if you want to play it like X you could check the lore. I thought the idea was that those big (i.e., NPC) corps were the ones responsible for the existence of high-security, and their protective militia is called Concord. You work for them, you get their protection, and you pay their tax rate. For 10% of your bounties (and just bounties...) you get the T1000 or that shape changing ****** from T4 manifesting out of the vacuum for a guaranteed kill of your aggressor. That's not a bad ******* deal.

If the 10% tax rate the NPC massives offer is too high, and you want to go it on your own, you have to become a small state, and field your own. They pay for it, so if you aren't going to be in their club you don't get the protection.

The first thing you have to do is become hard to pin down as a corp, do not stay in one area of hisec or even in hisec itself, have operations in low sec and NPC 0.0, try to link up with another corp that has a WH and support them for use of their hole at times. Make it so that the hisec war deccer can not sit there in a station and camp you there, make him spend his time chasing you are round Eve or contemplating whether he should follow you into dangerous areas of space where his RR can be shot before it even has an impact.

I have had some great fun over the years, one example is when moving a guy into Cloud Ring, I noted a guy setup to gate camp, he had a neutral alt in the hisec system and was warping a Myrmidon to the gate when people came to the lowsec gate. So I got my corp mate to be to keep warping to the gate than back to the station, after five goes of this the guy logged off in disgust. another time being chased in NPC Delve by one loud mouthed idiot, I made them chase me for hours by setting up safes that looked like I was in a belt from the use of the D-Scan, then when he got bored of that after a couple of hours and brought in a prober, I then used the cloak . The key thing is that you have to get your players to think on how they play the game during a war dec, treat it as an annoy them more then you. Of course there are some who will stay at it and those you will just have to make it not worth their while by operating in space they do not dare go near.

So what about missions in NPC 0.0 or low sec, what about low-sec ninja mining, what about doing some low sec and 0.0 exploration, what about doing some WH sites. While doing this make sure that you have people logged on with alts that watch what he does, get a feel for his actions, even lose a couple of ships at the start, find out what they do, then set your trap, loggoffski's are your best bet, also use ECM and snsor dampening boats and long ponting and web ships to keep him immobile when you do this, do all what I say and you will not be bothered.

It is frustrating and yes it does drive away players, I for one got fed up being cloaky BLOP's camped 6 months in Stain, however I had made a rod for my own back in that I was the bait for them to camp while others were in other systems doing their things, that was screwed when someone told the camper that and he upped his game, but here is the rub, sit back and work out what you can do and their parameters then act accordingly and do not be a static target unless you want to be.

Good luck and thanks for your service.

cheap? We spend SEVERAL BILLIONS per week. And most of the targets just disband. If somethign is easy.. is to AVOID the wardec.

If anything this proves my point, if you are spending billions in war decs you are just spam deccing to many people. Making it costlier to conduct large numbers of concurrent wars would force you to select particularly large or stupid corps, or corps you know might put up a fight rather than disbanding.

But you are right, although unpleasant and frustrating, it is easy to avoid war decs. Perhaps along with my suggested nerf, a change could be made that you can't avoid being a war target by dropping out of corp. That instead you remain a vaild war target until the week runs out no matter what corp you run to. This would help prevent corps disintegrating due to war weariness as well.

I'm gonna chime in with the view of one of the "other highsec groups" that is constantly at war with one group or another. You are totally correct with your view of the current ecosystem. My alliance has been pretty much constantly dec'd since we left null and moved to HS in August. I'm sure theres one reason or another in terms of in game motivation.

One piece of advice I keep seeing is that people should undock and fight back. Theres really no point to the Indy corp doing it in the majority of cases. My own alliances experience shows that. We've killed Rattlesnakes, pods, T3s, falcons. We're still perma-deccd. We can be seen putting a 12 domi blob with AHAC tackle, falcons, and logi support on the field, we still get dec'd. The monthly subcap losses my alliance takes don't come anywhere near putting us in danger. The losses we inflict wouldn't put any organized PvP group in any danger of collapsing either though. If anything undocking has encouraged more decs on us and if that is the consequence of fighting back,successfully or not, why would an Indy corp undock at all?

Theres no way for the newer Indy Corp to come out ahead whether they undock or not. Thats single biggest thing that needs to change IMO. Dedicated PVPers can celebrate hitting their goals in KMs, fun fights, etc. but if your goal is to get back to doing Indy work from HS the mechanics are not in your favor. I don't think a simple nerf or buff to any one thing fixes this. War dec mechanics need a redesign from the ground up.

I see the point made by Vimsy, and so it leads me to agree that the highsec wardec system is broken in such a way that it isn't good for either side and need to be looked at afresh as suggested. Perhaps encouraging smaller corps to wardec by making the cost of war scaled according to the size of the corp doing the deccing would encourage more amateur wardeccers and more even conflicts. It has even crossed my mind as a one man corp to wardec someone just for the hell of it, but it doesn't seem that my one man corp should pay as much as a 150 strong corp.

NOpe. We spend Billions because each war can cost half a bil And you need to have at lEAST 20 times more WT than you have members if you wnt to each one have at least some chance to get into cobmat every day.

It is jsut th enormal ratio forpredators and pray. YOu cannot have a falcon survive with a single dove in the region. THey need a hundred or more inthe region to keep a supply and not starve or destroy the food population.


IF we woudl need tto select jsut 3-4 targets,t hen War targets woudl be worthless, because no way we could have enough targets to have a chance of doing ANYTHIGN during a weekend.


IF the average playerwas not a coward chicken, then maybe we woudl not need so many wars.

Typed on a phone much?

If you kill things from these groups they tend to drop the wars because all the merc groups need a clean killboard. At least the groups that pursue you out of the jita amarr pipe do.

Also.. if you can fight back like you say.. why not enjoy this game , that is completely geared towards PVP and DO FIGHT?

You are not supposed to go back to doign ONLY indy stuff. You are supposed to work a bit liek in 0.0 where you need intel channels and when war dec pilots come closer your indy pilots are warned and your forces scramble to defend.


NO one is entitled to playing all by itself on his own pocket of imagination in this game.

We need both types of targets. IF we keep only the contracts we collapse our playerbase, because most of the day there will be nothign to do. So we have basically 3 types of wars, Bulk wars, so that there is alway somethign to do and to make money, these include groups of shiny missions runenrs, shiny incursion runners and other targets taht can drop billions in a kill and help us pay our bills. Conrtact wars, were we are paid to make certain groups suffer and we do nto care if they are new or not. And For fight wars, were we have 1 or 2 mercenary groups and/or low sec fight groups in war so we have good fights.

We also cannto keep the BEST wartargets under war forever, because they woudl collapse, and we prefer to farm them. We frequently give a bgreak to those groups so they can recover (as long as they do not start whiny threads in the forums about how wardec systems are broken, then we elevate the war to holy war level and crush their souls)


So we need all types of targets. What eve needs is better instruction to pilots. Its impressive how most do not even know that other players can war scramble them. That is a failure by CCP on their tutorials.