EVE General Discussion

BOOOMM!!! SSSssshhhhhhhh.......drip.......

I do not own a Tardis. I own something that has to be kicked into action, rattles, clanks, is rather rusty, bellows black smoke, vents white plumes and leaks oil all over the place. It also seems to be splattered with Troll blood. It gets me there every time!

That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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Agree 100%.

I just wish that being a hero was more rewarding. As it stands, the villains get all the loot. So, everyone ends up being a villain and i think that's what the OP is talking about.

+1

It's a British sports car built sometime between 1955 and 1975, isn't it? If there's no oil on the floor beneath it, there's no oil in it.

Sorry couldn't resist

Wow :-) It means a lot that so much conversation has taken place on this post. I honestly read every single reply!! It has taken me 2 days, as 15 pages is a lot to take in on one go, especially as emotionally charged as this thread is, but here I am at the end of the thread. If I may, a quick update, and a few words.

Firstly, I never meant to sound like I wanted anything to change from CCP's end. I think that this game is essentially here in the appropriate form. So please don't think that I was asking for CCP to make a change to add an extra security blanket and expecting them to ensure my experience. Quite the contrary, as I was pointing out that the players guide and create the experience, ("what is so wrong and so right at the same time") and if players don't understand that, and constantly treat players like crap for no reason, they may find themselves playing alone. It is undeniable that if everyone acted like that, the game would die very quickly. We have paper and markers, and can draw whatever we want. Let's not draw a turd :-) We have that freedom in EVE, but how would that benefit anyone or create something beautiful or engaging?

One of the things that stuck with me in the replies was about stealing a beer can and thinking your some kind of diabolical genius. The 'scam' I experienced was dull, not worth either of our time, and that's what I wanted to point out. I think that any player that has a real Joker vs Batman moment is gonna love that and want to keep playing no matter which side they were on. It's the childish and uninspired acts of just being a jerk to be a jerk that has a huge potential to drive people away. I dunno, I just wasn't impressed, that's all.

and so... I have to give you a quick update! I have spent the last 2 days in Null Sec, though 2 WHs, trying to find a kick-ass Relic Site so I could get back my Garmur. I've had no luck! LoL!

but I logged in tonight and found that a player had sent me a cool 135 mil ISK. Enough for my Garmur and it's mods. I would have wandered around in Null for another week, because I'm very driven to experience EVE, in all it's ups and downs, but THIS kind of stuff is why I always keep fighting and can maintain that drive. There are AWESOME players in this game, people that WANT to build a fun experience, and I will continue to play and am happy knowing that there are players that will help you back up from the ground when you get kicked, even if it was a cheap shot that put you there.

If you are someone that mentioned that you help players, talk to them after a fight, help them get back in a new ship even after you kill them, invite them into your Corp after you pod them so you can teach them how to avoid that again, then my advice is to KEEP doing that. You are making this game a valuable human experience, and that's what I think that this game deserves.

I do want to say, that as far as separation of game / RL... Playing Call of Duty doesn't mean that people can ascertain that you would run around shooting hundreds of ppl. HOWEVER, if you are on the mic, playing CoD and calling everyone slurs and treating them like crap, then it's a pretty logical step to say, that you probably aren't the nicest person in RL as well. So I don't want to hear that how you treat other players is not indicative of who you are as a person. There is a difference between roleplaying as a villain, and just being disruptive to other people's experience for the sake of hurting their experience.

I do want to acknowledge that when I am in Null or Low, I LOVE knowing that everyone wants to kill me. I go there for that. But I am out there ASKING for that when I am out there. Those kinds of 'villains' I have never been mad about when they kill me. I give them a quick o7 in local if / when I get away, it feels exhilarating, and I can't blame them when they do kill me, and that is a fantastic part of this game that I would never in a million years change.

So I wanted to say a very special thank you to that player that helped me out today, and ensured that I can get my Garmur back. I loved that ship, and I love EVE. I won't be accepting duels from strangers anytime soon, and it's a shame that part of the game doesn't seem to function as well as I thought it would when I heard about it. I will still duel my friends and corpmates.

Thanks to everyone that participated here. I really enjoyed everyone's perspective.

I underlined the malfunction. People have been crying about this for 11 years and yet EVE is still here.

In fact, you have it backwards: if people in EVE start joining hands and singing Kumbayaa, THAT will mark the true beginning of the end of EVE and people leaving. Peace, politeness, caring, all nice things in real life, they SUCK in a video game where 97% of the ships have gun or missile hardpoints.

if you aren't a killer, that means YOUR gameplay revolves around not getting killed or scammed (this is what I do). You failed in this and then decided to post about it. The message of this thread is that the problem isn't the game or even the actions of the guy who beat you by playing within the rules of the game. The problem is that your attitude (and most likely, your general personality) is incompatible with the nature of the game you've chosen to play.




You don't need to be impressed. You can discount the act all you want, but the fact remains that you fell for it. What you just said here is the equivalent of "well, i didn't want that ship anyways". In other words, a cop out.



Their is no such thing as a cheap shot in EVE. Their is life and death, winning and losing. If it's within the rules, it's all good. This is an example of the incompatibility I mentioned.



Just wanted to highlight more evidence of bad thinking. This is the reason why gankers and scammers are a vital part of EVE (even if they are my natural 'enemies'): They remind people (especially those who demonstrate they have an incompatible mindset) that ALL of EVE is EVE, not just null , low and wormhole space. There are no shards here, you are in the muck the second you leave the rookie system and that's that.

Great follow up post. I have also read this thread from start to finish, and I would really like to comment on this part right here:



The crux for many pilots is that they think (or are taught) this is a fine, definite line; a wall. It is more a vast grey fog that new capsuleers need to navigate.

There are in any community those whose needs are malicious and intercept the goals of others, but they are few. What we have a great deal of is opinions on what area of the spectrum is acceptable and where destructive behavior begins.

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When I was younger I worked in the food-service industry. I used to laugh at the pails the mayonnaise came in. On the outside of each pail was a picture of a child that had fallen into the pail inside of a large red circle with a line through it.

I did not find amusement of the peril of the 2D-stick-child, I am not a monster. I have empathy for parents whom have had tragedies involving children.

The situation of a child stuck in a pail of mayonnaise in danger of drowning can happen, but its odds are astronomic! We however have culturally taken the time to warn as many as we can of the danger that lurks in huge quantities of mayonnaise, parents I imagine rushing to take the appropriate precautions.

Meanwhile the children of the children of the guardians of the pails of mayonnaise () may not realize that mayonnaise itself can be high in cholesterol.

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The community itself is responsible for protecting its assets. One of the most important of these is new pilots, and we all have a stake in them. It is not enough to come to the forums to cry foul over what is happening in game. We need to take the next steps. If there is a system which violate the EULA or ToS, report it. Educate new pilots, don't use them as a point in a crusade.

Above all have fun.

You don't do anything at all, maybe it's you that is broken and not the system

I agree with you, it is shocking how cheaply most people will sell their reputations in this game.

I respect those who play the long game - the Guiding Hand Social Club stories are part of what drew me to Eve. But most corp thefts, ganks, awoxes, Lofty scams, etc. are about being risk averse and lazy.

I quote the above to point something out. Notice how the "in game morality" crowd tends to be those people who.... what's the right word here? "Overthink" (?) any given situation..


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I think this demonstrates that you don't understand the game you're playing and we're talking about. This is EVE, the best ting you can do for a new player is kick his butt and if he's EVE material, it's make him mad AND make him learn how to avoid a butt kicking. Screw this new age kumbayaa crap.