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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
#261 - 2014-10-25 18:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Brochan McLeod
Suz1 wrote:
I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them.


I really hope you just made this up... i really do Ugh





EDIT : Unless they are of a certain age ofcourse...

Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#262 - 2014-10-25 19:17:48 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
As with many of my comparisons, I shall go back to that most hallowed of games, Super Mario Brothers.

In Super Mario Brothers, I don't get upset when Mario dies, I don't flip my lid when he falls down the bottomless pit for the 2051st time. That is because I do not get emotionally invested in the game. And that is because I realize that the basic point of the game is for him to die, repeatedly, to provide me a challenge. The entire game is setup in such a fashion that his death is all but inevitable.

And in the face of functionally inevitable loss, acceptance of that possibility is the only appropriate course of action.


Well, first of all we are not inside miniluv and do not get to dictate what people should or shouldnt emotionally invest into, to turn the usual excrements around, if you are sick of crybabies, you can quit :)

Second, old arcade games were usually CAREFULLY tuned around the assumption that a teen will play them and thus only rarely (due to a bug for example, or designer was drunk that one day) they would face you with unsurmountable challenges, rpgs and games working around rng and the possibility of infinite influences in general do not work that way, you can do everything perfectly, yet you can still loose.

Third, the neighbor didnt kill your mario, you did, whether we like it or not if the anger or annoyance has a viable target not being oneself, the situation becomes a whole new ballgame, another pitfall of pvp games.



Furthermore, to add to this point, Super Mario Brothers comes fully loaded at the press of a reset button. Eve comes at the PRICE of spending lots of time in order to have that one moment of "eve super mario brothers". If that wasn't true, the people in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=380238 would never have become so pissy over my claims and suggestions. These same pissy people are the ones also claiming no emotional investment here in this thread. That's epic comedy to me.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#263 - 2014-10-25 19:23:38 UTC
Brochan McLeod wrote:
Suz1 wrote:
I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them.


I really hope you just made this up... i really do Ugh





EDIT : Unless they are of a certain age ofcourse...

Actually, provided you have the swear filtering for the chat channels set up properly , or better yet, closed completely there's little to expexpose children to, the vast majority of the adult content in eve comes through those channels and private mail so if you monitor their play you can avoid stuff like inappropriate language, jpegs and gifs.

And in answer to your earlier post, no this never ends.
this thread crops up consistently I'd say about 2 or 3 times a month, some with more gusto than others but it generally pans out the same,
we have the same arguments over the same things and ocasionally someone gets rather worked up about it and rages for pages and pages (not pointing at you, to be fair you cooled off and realised the triviality of itBlink) about how eve is flawed and were all sociopaths for endorsing the predator role (in the only game that's been infamous for years for allowing it) and how they will unsubscribe their eleventytwelvethousand accounts (that they plex) if ccp doesn't ["fix" eve to match their preconceived notions/permaban every one involved/remove PvP in highsec] .
we can (and have) recite the whole thing off the top of our heads.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#264 - 2014-10-25 19:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
derp , double post, have this instead

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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#265 - 2014-10-25 19:27:40 UTC
There are many things wrong with EVE but none are mentioned or alluded to in the OP.
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
#266 - 2014-10-25 20:03:05 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Brochan McLeod wrote:
Suz1 wrote:
I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them.


I really hope you just made this up... i really do Ugh





EDIT : Unless they are of a certain age ofcourse...

Actually, provided you have the swear filtering for the chat channels set up properly , or better yet, closed completely there's little to expexpose children to, the vast majority of the adult content in eve comes through those channels and private mail so if you monitor their play you can avoid stuff like inappropriate language, jpegs and gifs.

And in answer to your earlier post, no this never ends.
this thread crops up consistently I'd say about 2 or 3 times a month, some with more gusto than others but it generally pans out the same,
we have the same arguments over the same things and ocasionally someone gets rather worked up about it and rages for pages and pages (not pointing at you, to be fair you cooled off and realised the triviality of itBlink) about how eve is flawed and were all sociopaths for endorsing the predator role (in the only game that's been infamous for years for allowing it) and how they will unsubscribe their eleventytwelvethousand accounts (that they plex) if ccp doesn't ["fix" eve to match their preconceived notions/permaban every one involved/remove PvP in highsec] .
we can (and have) recite the whole thing off the top of our heads.


To be fair i actually introduced my daughter to World of Warcraft some years ago. I was over it like a hawk ofcourse but it astounded me how easily (and without any knowledge of the English language) she picked up a friend to play with (who, turned out was also monitored by a parent ... dumb coincidence ofc. but still :) )

To come back to the issue at hand... its not really an issue anymore for me i'd say.

I am still convinced there's a bunch of lowlife's in this game but thats true for any other game out there. Im not a great fan of tear-pulling either... i find it rather hurtful and childish behavior. But thats my personal view on it... im a bit of a worrior on such matters IRL as well, so there. Blink

I did come away with a different point of view though (always wanted to say that...here's to you Johnny Big smile ) i am now setting up a character to PvP with. Im going to try out Solo Factional Warfare as im useless in groups. (appearantly its possible)

Studying it as we speak (im not much for jumping in and need to read about it first, its half the fun for me. )

So here goes...




Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#267 - 2014-10-25 20:14:51 UTC
floating damage ticks would be cool instead of plain text on the screen.Big smile
Terminator Cindy
Yesterday's Tomorrow
#268 - 2014-10-25 20:54:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminator Cindy
Aeon Plex wrote:
We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.



Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2014-10-25 20:59:55 UTC
Terminator Cindy wrote:
Aeon Plex wrote:
We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.



Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode.


~space honor e-bushido~

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#270 - 2014-10-25 21:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Terminator Cindy wrote:
Aeon Plex wrote:
We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.



Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode.
Yeah, but no.

OP trusted someone they didn't know, in a game where trust is more valuable than isk, kinda dumb tbh.

As for your comment about bullies, you're assuming that what someone does in a virtual world, one with very different rules from those found in the real world, is an accurate reflection of what they're like in real life. That says more about you than it does about them, and that's not a compliment.

TL:DR You're talking out of your arse about people you don't know.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#271 - 2014-10-25 21:26:38 UTC
What has the world come to. back in my day you could trust strangers on the internet.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#272 - 2014-10-25 21:46:24 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Eve comes at the PRICE of spending lots of time in order to have that one moment of "eve super mario brothers". If that wasn't true, the people in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=380238 would never have become so pissy over my claims and suggestions. These same pissy people are the ones also claiming no emotional investment here in this thread. That's epic comedy to me.

the thread in which you complain that people won't pay you isk to do trivial tasks they can do themselves, lay the blame on an unrelated mechanic, demand ccp do something to make up for your failings and rant about ~economy~

that's the thread we're linking here
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#273 - 2014-10-25 22:19:21 UTC
Suz1 wrote:
I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them.

you are a twisted parent Suz. lol

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#274 - 2014-10-25 22:55:15 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Most of these people are indeed probably either sociopaths or have been abused and take it out on other people

something smells like farts

could it be that someone in the thread is talking out of their arse

13kr1d1 wrote:
I bet you anything that if a corp of gankers sat outside newbie systems on gates and ganked THOSE people, even though they're carefully avoiding the rules, CCP would ban them, because a 15 day trial that cant get invested enough with "foot in the door" to buy at least one month of Eve Online means worse sales for CCP.

It's totally within the current rules to camp and gank newbies outside of their newbie systems, yet I doubt anyone doing a concerted effort of that would last long.

I mean, I really would like to point out this system flaw. How is it griefing if you do it to newbies in the starter systems, yet not griefing if you do it somewhere else? There's no logic to that.

it's pretty well-known that the gm guideline is 'don't **** with rookies'



And yet, people trick "rookies" all the time with can bait and all other sorts of things outside those same systems that are "off limits".

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#275 - 2014-10-25 23:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
13kr1d1 wrote:
And yet, people trick "rookies" all the time with can bait and all other sorts of things outside those same systems that are "off limits".

what are the quotes indicating here are we doubting the existence of rookies

gamemasters protect rookies from the harsher parts of eve while they're doing the tutorials and learning to control their spaceship. once that's done, they're on their own
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#276 - 2014-10-26 00:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Gallifreyan
"POP"
Hello!

This thread has been locked for an hour for maintenance/cleaning and to let the players cool off.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#277 - 2014-10-26 01:26:38 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
"POP"
Hello!
Your TARDIS appears to be malfunctioning, it shouldn't make that popping noise.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#278 - 2014-10-26 02:01:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
"POP"
Hello!
Your TARDIS appears to be malfunctioning, it shouldn't make that popping noise.
INATL?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#279 - 2014-10-26 02:15:27 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
"POP"
Hello!
Your TARDIS appears to be malfunctioning, it shouldn't make that popping noise.
INATL?
It was locked for a while, our erstwhile ISD timelord obviously unlocked it again sometime in the past, or was that the future?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#280 - 2014-10-26 02:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
"POP"
Hello!
Your TARDIS appears to be malfunctioning, it shouldn't make that popping noise.
INATL?
It was locked for a while, our erstwhile ISD timelord obviously unlocked it again sometime in the past, or was that the future?
Is it hoverboard time again?

Or should I whip out my sonic screwdriver?

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