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A Role Not Filled

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Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#21 - 2014-10-24 17:25:03 UTC
Tappits wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

forget the offlien POS. peopel only care for the offline ones because the online ones are UNKILLABLE, exaclty because of ECM. That is the role that is needed. Not a kill offline POS


Because there's not a BS that can go into highsec and do dps and cannot be ECMed.. nope cannot think of one.


Nothing can stop my glorious ECM boats in highsec. All will suffer while they find their clients suddenly not able to lock anything. All will perish as they watch their ship slowly strip away to their POD. LONG LIVE THE UNSTOPPABLE ECM!!!

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-10-24 17:46:06 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



Did you ever tried to kill a POS in high sec? They are always fitted with a trillion ECM and battleships are unable to fire more than once every 5 minutes.




That is why I asked already when bastion was introduced, to make it scriptable. With an offensive script that doubles the DPS, cuttign the tracking to 1/5th and reducing defenses. That would make a great ship to kill high sec POSs.


You get jammed by offline POS now?



forget the offlien POS. peopel only care for the offline ones because the online ones are UNKILLABLE, exaclty because of ECM. That is the role that is needed. Not a kill offline POS


If you get a ECM stacked POS, you could always use sentries...
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#23 - 2014-10-24 17:53:23 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Posting in a stealth "make suicide ganks unstoppable" thread.


LOL, you should check out my post history...

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Khiluale Zotakibe
Protection of Underground Resources
#24 - 2014-10-24 18:36:32 UTC
Behr Oroo wrote:
Like I said in another post. Why are towers special snowflake that cant be scooped? We can fly faster than light, cloak our ships, jump instantly across lightyears.... but we cant figure out how to scoop an offline pos without destroying it, if it doesnt have our name on it?


They are not a special snowflake, any proprietary structure that is anchored in space can't just be looted (think mobile depots, mobile tractor units, secure containers, just to name a few).

The exception to the rule are POS arrays as those are linked with the tower and if the tower is no more they are no longer really anchored.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-10-24 18:42:45 UTC
I'd say 1000 dps Oracle's do the job just fine.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#26 - 2014-10-25 14:58:18 UTC
I broke Big posses in a fleet of 10 sentry geddons with the full rack of guns and such online... Took a few hours but i dont see why it wouldnt work in highsec as well as it did during out last c4 eviction of the natives...
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#27 - 2014-10-25 15:07:58 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:


That's it. Simple, elegant, effective.


Getting friends to help in your bash is not simple enough?


You be surprised how fast people scatter when you mention POS bashing. Simply because it is a long, boring, and tedious process. There are so many dead corps with POS towers (some still have modules) up. So many dead towers taking up moons that could be used by active corps. Why so many? Because even off line, they have so many HP that it can take hours, even in a BS fleet fitted for max dps.

I couldn't even imagine trying to take out an active one. Not without a capital.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2014-10-25 15:37:02 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



Did you ever tried to kill a POS in high sec? They are always fitted with a trillion ECM and battleships are unable to fire more than once every 5 minutes.




That is why I asked already when bastion was introduced, to make it scriptable. With an offensive script that doubles the DPS, cuttign the tracking to 1/5th and reducing defenses. That would make a great ship to kill high sec POSs.

yes i have and no one got ecm'd, we were rather hoping for a fightOops

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-10-25 15:39:26 UTC
If it is simply a means of getting rid of high sec POSes then they should act the same as mobile deployables.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-10-25 15:41:37 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:


If you get a ECM stacked POS, you could always use sentries...



The idea is BEIGN efficient. Ever tried to calculate how long it takes to take out a LARGE pos with sentries alone? TRIED at least once?

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-10-25 17:43:30 UTC
There definitely needs to be a high-sec corp vs corp warfare ship capable of burning down POSes. Or not. Maybe carebears need POSes that are nearly immune to such types of attacks, or they'd quit.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#32 - 2014-10-25 18:34:24 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
There definitely needs to be a high-sec corp vs corp warfare ship capable of burning down POSes. Or not. Maybe carebears need POSes that are nearly immune to such types of attacks, or they'd quit.


Sad why brake it, if you could hack it and keep it then?

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Yolandar
CSR Strategic Reserves
Citizen's Star Republic
#33 - 2014-10-25 20:45:45 UTC
There are so many empty moons in hisec now, if you need to put up POS your not looking enuff.

As for bashing lone towers, bring some friends, wardec, and make it a picnic.
But then it's not really worth bashing lone offline towers, unless they Dreads or like, just for your kb...


"Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last."
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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2014-10-25 20:52:30 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
AFK-stable oracles


This. Nothing says taking down an offline POS from an inactive corp by wardeccing the corp, grabbing an Oracle, press F1, and goto work. You will either come back to the game in a station, or to an empty moon.

Typically for the empty moon its just as some one launches their tower

Or worse you come back and its already online and set up
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#35 - 2014-10-25 22:06:31 UTC
There shouldn't really be anything that can effectively kill a POS (ignoring in some space you can drop tons of capitals on them).

IMO if you want to kill a POS you put the effort in.
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#36 - 2014-10-25 23:33:33 UTC
Considering the nature of high sec one would think that other mechanical approaches to removing POS would be more interesting then a particular POS stick take down ship. They are quite the pain but you also only have to worry about you and your war dec for the most part. One might say that dreadnoughts are traded for Concord. But in the future of POS changes more interesting game play then shoot millions of hit points for a few hours would be very interesting.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#37 - 2014-10-26 00:11:35 UTC
Posting in yet another "I am bad at EVE and can't get people to help me" thread.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#38 - 2014-10-26 02:32:15 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Posting in yet another "I am bad at EVE and can't get people to help me" thread.


This sums it up. Eve gives you the tools you need to do the job.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#39 - 2014-10-26 06:15:38 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Posting in yet another "I am bad at EVE and can't get people to help me" thread.


Perhaps you should see my latest kills on battleclinic.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#40 - 2014-10-26 06:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Carrigan
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Posting in yet another "I am bad at EVE and can't get people to help me" thread.


Perhaps you should see my latest kills on battleclinic.

Perhaps you should just stop ****posting on the forums.

There are ways to kill POSes in high sec. Get more people, attack at range, fit ECCM, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. What you are proposing is simply a product of laziness and excuses.

No "I Win" button for you.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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