Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've only recently started using missiles on my Gila but am surprised that HML's aren't BC class or higher weapons to be honest. HAM's for cruisers fair enough, it's a smaller missile trading range for extra hitting power but heavy missiles ought to not fit on cruisers? Perhaps un-nerf them and change the fitting option to being a large system instead?

The other difference is that every other weapon type in Eve can make use of Tracking Enhancers, Tracking Computers, and even Remote Tracking Computers. If you want to improve your missile application you have to use your rig slots. If only fozziebear would stop hating on missiles long enough to balance that aspect...

So, Target Painters and Webs are missile specific like TE's, TC's, and ReTC's are turret specific?
Please learn to read.

I hope you realize that all those other weapontypes have to deal with tracking. Missiles are free from that, your missile ship can move freely on grid and not care a thing.

Dear Caleb,

I only have 13.3 million missile skills but I am also not hiding the fact that I used them a while before they got that terrible application thing added to them.

With eight years being here I may also state that I am experienced missile user. So for anyone in doubt, ask someone who is here long enough to have "insight".

I am sure that when CCP removes this utter crap that CCP Xhagen and CCP Tuxford pulled seven years ago we will be much happier.
I am not until I get an apology.

CCP Fozzy had nothing to do with it. But if you want details I suggest you read all about it in the old forums archive. I am merely stating facts.

A damage bonus would be the wrong way for heavy missiles since the Drake is not the only missile ship that can field them. But finally ditching that tracking poo they have on them (because one BOB died to a Raven and cried and CCP "had to do stuff")

The volley damage of my favorite example ship is fine as it is. And since there are not tracking enhancers or other modules to help out you have to gimp your ship in a way that it is close to a warcrime by the Geneva Convention.

No turret boat has to do that.

And yes, Alvatore I do know what I am talking about and to your surprise I do have 19 million turret skills in my bookshelf. Assault missiles are the "blaster" version for medium sized missiles and heavy missiles the "railgun" version.

Speaking of medium railguns,
my Ferox can muder stuff at 88km while heavy missiles with 75km were so stronnk'hhh that it was believed that Satan came from hell and made goofswarm loose fights.

CCP had to act naow before Satan could do any more harm to the bumblebees.

As I already said to the CSM, removing that missile tracking stuff will not brake EVE.

Nobody needs any sort of f-ing ewar against missiles. You can already shoot them down or energy-pulse them away. The bigger torpedos and citadel torpedos can be outrun by anything that is smaller than a battlecruiser.

Sorry girls,
missles with 100% application do only 100% application in a perfect situation. Just like all our turrets are able to hurt you long after the falloff on your fitting screen ran out.

Did you girls ever wonder why most of the ships that got rebalanced used to have those (not so) useless launcher slots in the highs??

So it is almost balanced that (whine-) mater and angel boats can do it but totally out of hand that the slowest ships in EVE cannot?

Yeah that sounds almost reasonable.

Good Lord, there is no such thing as a wrecking shot, capable of 3x alpha. Pheeew.

Crisis averted.

Fozzie's been on his anti missile crusade for quite some time now, don't expect this trend to reverse anytime soon.

EVE is currently a "game of drones" All you can do is ride the tide.

You can and you also can shoot missiles down with anti-missile missiles so I am not quit sure where you are going with this?

You can approach a machariel and then a very scawy looking heavy neut will disable you and that would be the end of that approach.

My comparison of missiles to artillery also looks at the ships that would wear them compared to the ships that fit missiles.

Since we got "weapon grouping" one missile volley will start at the same time and can be neutralized by a medium energy-pulse weapon.

When you deal with long range missiles the missiles in flight will stop doing anything when they reach missile speed x flight time, zee end, while a turret can vaporize you from much further away.

Girls,

please read all missile related threads in the old forums archive before you attempt to respond.

I will appreciate it when we are on the same level of education here.

That's crap and you know it. If that happened there would be NO reason to use ANY other system. Cruise ravens/phoons would blot out the skies

I'm all for helping HML, but let's be sensible.

Let's talk Raven and typhoon another day..(because the battleship "balance" didn't do my Raven any favors and 10x Ishtar will be the sudden end of her).

Currently the Drake (posterchild of heavy missiles) has a missile range of 62km. So my heavy missiles were range nerfed for no reason and application nerfed for even less reasons.

Now those 62km are the end of the power of the heavy missile. A linked Garmur or a nano Garmur only has to fly away from them for (missile flight time) to not get hit at all.

While the Garmur maybe an extreme case, there are not many frigates left that would have to fear heavy missiles because they can simply outrun them.

On the other hand all frigates and destroyers will have a hard time outrunning an insta-pop turret volley.

Your fitting screen falloff is not zee end of your guns firepower but the "at this point you need to divide your damage by 2x not zero".

Keep in mind that no missile will hurt anyone until they have reached their target or their flight time is over and at that point they will stop doing anything but becoming a dead object in space and be removed from the server.

The Ferox will no have issue terrorizing smaller stuff at 90km or more range and the Eagle even at- that's too far you can be probed and warped to at that point.

2x arty hurricanes will vaporize everything that is not a Drake or a tech3 boat and everything below before the pilots involved know what is happening.

Currently no ship below a station is in any danger from a heavy missile, even if those ships are not moving, afk and have their mwds on.

What I am fighting for might shift people to fly missile ships for a while but after that gets old, an Ishtar blob might be refreshing.

No missile needs more ewar until I get my 100% always working boolean ECM modules on a 50.000 EHP + 120km range Falcon.

Missiles have more than enough counters as it is, you can read all about it in the archive but please don't. I want to create some tears before people figure out stuff.