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F2P model proposal

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Nuntius Coelorum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-24 17:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuntius Coelorum
- new accounts get SP limit, eg. 5 mil SP per character
- Intorduction of Account Skill Point Pool. Skill point pool is pretty much like "remaining free SP", with the difference that skill points from pool cannot be added to character instantly - training your character takes time, just like now. All SP are taken from pool instead from void aka "remaining time on account". Also, all 3 characters can be trained at the same time, but then Account Skill Point Pool evaporates quickly.
- no possibility to buy PLEX for real money anymore. All plexes remaining in hands of players or in game market will add to account SP pool 1,944,000.00 SP (2700 SP/hour) after manual activation, available for training
- 60 day GTC is converted to Skill Points Code, which gives 3,888,000.00 SP (2700 SP/hour) to SP pool, available for training
- Remaining game time on player accounts will be converted to SP pool with 2700 SP/hour multiplier with the moment of F2P implemetnation
- constant improvement of NES with cosmetic items and ship skins, which have no impact on gameplay
- Aurum is bought for real money
- certain percentage reduction of bounties for killing rats, awards from missions, et cetera, should be considered
- using multiboxing software is violation of EULA now
- Tech2 Original BP are sent to oblivion
- PLEX RMT no longer exists
- Average real market price of old characters with lots of SP hits a peak. Old characters on real money market become probably too expensive for majority of new players
- ISK RMT is weakened by all above because "I can earn it all on my own and I dont have to hurry up" or "crap, I cannot buy SP for ISK"
- lots of new players who pay for a game. Old players pay less, but they are also back to business.

Sorry for bad english.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-10-24 17:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#3 - 2014-10-24 17:47:06 UTC
Firestorm in 3..

... 2...

1 ...
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-10-24 17:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Not supporting.



The problem with your idea is that there are a number of professions that only need a minimum of skills (less than 1 or 2 months (or less than 5 million SP) to affect the game in profound ways.


Mining? You only need a character to use a Retriever. Get 5 accounts to do that. Once trained, let them lapse into "free" accounts and earn a steady "free" income stream (until the prices for minerals crashes from oversupply as everyone and their mother does the same).

Same with Planetary Interaction. Train 1 or 2 accounts for a month so it can use a hauler and manage planets. You never need to train it again and it will generate income (until the prices for PI goods crashes from oversupply).

Do you like trading? Enjoy manipulating the market? Train up alts or two in each trade hubs then manipulate the market in grand ways that pisses off everyone else.
Now watch everyone else do that.

Does a newbie want to be a scout for your fleet? Forget it. You already have a "free" account in a Rookie Ship to do that for you. No need to possibly compromise your fleet or your sanity by allowing someone you don't know and doesn't know exactly what to look for.

Do you like PvP? Train 3 accounts for a month so they can use a frigate or destroyer semi-decently. Get the rest of your alliance to do that too (which is easy if your alliance has a large income stream).
Now use multi-boxing software (which you can't reliably stop people from using) to create "zerg swarms" of cheap cannon fodder to assist your more expensive contingent.
Watch everyone else do the same.


Basically... it won't take much for people to create multiple characters to create "free" income streams for their main character (which will probably be the only account they will continue training). I know more than a few people who would let their alt accounts lapse into "free" ones if this idea went into effect. And I'd be stupid not to take advantage of it as well.




With PLEX... it was originally designed to counter RMT (and it still does a pretty good job at doing that). If you remove it, RMT will come back. And no, people will still buy RMT money even if they can earn lots of ISK by themselves.
Why?
Because if more and more people can make lots and lots of ISK then the value of ISK begins to decrease and prices for products rise (see: inflation)... which increases the need to have even more money... which creates a feedback loop.
Nuntius Coelorum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-10-24 17:50:30 UTC
Actually I wolud like to see constructive negation of my proposal. I mean the bad consequences for players and CCP, which I did not foreseen.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2014-10-24 17:52:13 UTC
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Actually I wolud like to see constructive negation of my proposal. I mean the bad consequences for players and CCP, which I did not foreseen.


You clearly don't know what the "Search" function is, do you?
Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-10-24 17:57:46 UTC
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Nuntius Coelorum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-10-24 18:07:05 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Not supporting.



The problem with your idea is that there are a number of professions that only need a minimum of skills (less than 1 or 2 months (or less than 5 million SP) to affect the game in profound ways.


Mining? You only need a character to use a Retriever. Get 5 accounts to do that. Once trained, let them lapse into "free" accounts and earn a steady "free" income stream (until the prices for minerals crashes from oversupply as everyone and their mother does the same).

Same with Planetary Interaction. Train 1 or 2 accounts for a month so it can use a hauler and manage planets. You never need to train it again and it will generate income (until the prices for PI goods crashes from oversupply).

Do you like trading? Enjoy manipulating the market? Train up alts or two in each trade hubs then manipulate the market in grand ways that pisses off everyone else.
Now watch everyone else do that.

Does a newbie want to be a scout for your fleet? Forget it. You already have a "free" account in a Rookie Ship to do that for you. No need to possibly compromise your fleet or your sanity by allowing someone you don't know and doesn't know exactly what to look for.

Do you like PvP? Train 3 accounts for a month so they can use a frigate or destroyer semi-decently. Get the rest of your alliance to do that too (which is easy if your alliance has a large income stream).
Now use multi-boxing software to create "zerg swarms" of cheap cannon fodder to assist your more expensive contingent.
Watch everyone else do the same.


Basically... it won't take much for people to create multiple characters to create "free" income streams for their main character (which will probably be the only account they will continue training). I know more than a few people who would let their alt accounts lapse into "free" ones if this idea went into effect. And I'd be stupid not to take advantage of it as well.




With PLEX... it was originally designed to counter RMT (and it still does a pretty good job at doing that). If you remove it, RMT will come back. And no, people will still buy RMT money even if they can earn lots of ISK by themselves.
Why?
Because if more and more people can make lots and lots of ISK then the value of ISK begins to decrease and prices for products rise (see: inflation)... which increases the need to have even more money... which creates a feedback loop.


On the other hand, I can shake market with 2 paid accounts now.

Please see the part:
Quote:
- using multiboxing software is violation of EULA now


It solves mining with too many characters and other multiboxing activities. Because operating multiple accounts on your own is a pure masochism.

Quote:
Does a newbie want to be a scout for your fleet? Forget it. You already have a "free" account in a Rookie Ship to do that for you. No need to possibly compromise your fleet or your sanity by allowing someone you don't know and doesn't know exactly what to look for.


I can have limitless newbie scouts now, need just another machine eg. notebook to run it.

Inflation is prevented by prohibition of multiboxing software and bounties reduction.

Nevertheless, liked your post. Thanks for response.
Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-10-24 18:09:45 UTC
Still trying to figure out why, exactly, you want an F2P option when one already exists.

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2014-10-24 18:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tappits
no

Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
2700 SP/hour


Why 2700/h?
Thats seems allot.
I am getting from about 1600- 2250 on all my accounts so i don't understand why you get such a high number.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2014-10-24 18:14:49 UTC
No.

Seeing as player can already play by paying with ISK, this is yet another pointless and redundant idea.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Nuntius Coelorum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-10-24 18:15:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuntius Coelorum
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D

Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Still trying to figure out why, exactly, you want an F2P option when one already exists.

There's one particular reason. I have issues with money to pay for GTC (really glad if you don't have such issues), and I spent 60% of my game time (or even more) on earning ISK for PLEX, which eventually (here starts the drama) bored me and forced to stop subscribing.

Thanks for participating in discussion.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2014-10-24 18:19:45 UTC
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D

Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Still trying to figure out why, exactly, you want an F2P option when one already exists.

There's one particular reason. I have issues with money to pay for GTC (really glad if you don't have such issues), and I spent 60% of my game time (or even more) on earning ISK for PLEX, which eventually (here starts the drama) bored me and forced to stop subscribing.

Thanks for participating in discussion.


Blitz missions for a few hours in one week and you have enough.
Khiluale Zotakibe
Protection of Underground Resources
#14 - 2014-10-24 18:26:06 UTC
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
- new accounts get SP limit, eg. 5 mil SP per character
- Intorduction of Account Skill Point Pool. Skill point pool is pretty much like "remaining free SP", with the difference that skill points from pool cannot be added to character instantly - training your character takes time, just like now. All SP are taken from pool instead from void aka "remaining time on account". Also, all 3 characters can be trained at the same time, but then Account Skill Point Pool evaporates quickly.
- no possibility to buy PLEX for real money anymore. All plexes remaining in hands of players or in game market will add to account SP pool 1,944,000.00 SP (2700 SP/hour) after manual activation, available for training
- 60 day GTC is converted to Skill Points Code, which gives 3,888,000.00 SP (2700 SP/hour) to SP pool, available for training
- Remaining game time on player accounts will be converted to SP pool with 2700 SP/hour multiplier with the moment of F2P implemetnation
- constant improvement of NES with cosmetic items and ship skins, which have no impact on gameplay
- Aurum is bought for real money
- certain percentage reduction of bounties for killing rats, awards from missions, et cetera, should be considered
- using multiboxing software is violation of EULA now
- Tech2 Original BP are sent to oblivion
- PLEX RMT no longer exists
- Average real market price of old characters with lots of SP hits a peak. Old characters on real money market become probably too expensive for majority of new players
- ISK RMT is weakened by all above because "I can earn it all on my own and I dont have to hurry up" or "crap, I cannot buy SP for ISK"
- lots of new players who pay for a game. Old players pay less, but they are also back to business.

Sorry for bad english.


No, this would completely kill the game concept and would turn it into a pay2win kind of game. Do you work for electronic arts or something?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2014-10-24 18:41:57 UTC
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Still trying to figure out why, exactly, you want an F2P option when one already exists.

There's one particular reason. I have issues with money to pay for GTC (really glad if you don't have such issues), and I spent 60% of my game time (or even more) on earning ISK for PLEX, which eventually (here starts the drama) bored me and forced to stop subscribing.

Not to sound like an *******... but that sounds more like a personal problem and less of a reason for a game to be changed on a fundamental level.

Of course you get bored with a game if you spend most of your time treating it like an actual job just to stay in it.
Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-10-24 18:42:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D

Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Still trying to figure out why, exactly, you want an F2P option when one already exists.

There's one particular reason. I have issues with money to pay for GTC (really glad if you don't have such issues), and I spent 60% of my game time (or even more) on earning ISK for PLEX, which eventually (here starts the drama) bored me and forced to stop subscribing.

Thanks for participating in discussion.


Blitz missions for a few hours in one week and you have enough.


Station/hub trade for a few hours when you have time or set up some PI and you will have enough. Especially with PI. Step 1: Train skills to set up a planetary infrastructure. Step 2: Set up planetary infrastructure. Step 3: Make money, f**k b**ches.

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-10-24 18:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolf Incaelum
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D


It is good enough. One PLEX costs ~500mil, give or take ~2 or 3mil depending on where you buy. One month is more than enough time to earn 500mil and still have time for other activities that you actually enjoy.

Edit: I'm currently unemployed with no savings built up and getting by just fine while still being able to support two Eve subscriptions. So, sorry, but I don't feel bad for you for having money issues.

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
#18 - 2014-10-24 18:59:22 UTC
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D


It is good enough. One PLEX costs ~500mil, give or take ~2 or 3mil depending on where you buy. One month is more than enough time to earn 500mil and still have time for other activities that you actually enjoy.

Edit: I'm currently unemployed with no savings built up and getting by just fine while still being able to support two Eve subscriptions. So, sorry, but I don't feel bad for you for having money issues.


What year do you live in? It's has been at 700+ for months, and is currently raging at 830mil
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2014-10-24 19:01:01 UTC
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D


It is good enough. One PLEX costs ~500mil, give or take ~2 or 3mil depending on where you buy. One month is more than enough time to earn 500mil and still have time for other activities that you actually enjoy.

Where are you buying from? Current prices are ~800+ million. P
Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-10-24 19:22:19 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Nuntius Coelorum wrote:
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
So...being able to pay for your subscription with fake money isn't good enough?

I wish it could be good enough :D


It is good enough. One PLEX costs ~500mil, give or take ~2 or 3mil depending on where you buy. One month is more than enough time to earn 500mil and still have time for other activities that you actually enjoy.

Where are you buying from? Current prices are ~800+ million. P


I hadn't noticed. I just recently resubbed with RL money (which I get from my G.I. Bill, if anyone asks me how I have money if I'm unemployed), so I haven't had to buy a PLEX yet. I've recently gotten into station trading to try and build up enough isk for a PLEX. I'm not doing very well because I've never station traded before, so I'm still learning the ropes of how to play the market to my advantage, but I'm working on it. I heard that hub-to-hub trading pays a lot better, so I've been watching tutorial videos on how to do that. I haven't been making huge profits, but I'm getting there. Cool

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

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