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A Role Not Filled

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#1 - 2014-10-24 14:34:45 UTC
I believe there is a role in hi-sec not being filled by a ship.

An effective way of taking out a POS. The Marauder is the closest thing there is.

In light of up coming changes and the comment made by CCP, the possibility of capitals in hi-sec is being considered.
This would fill that role.

But just in case that such a change doesn't happen, then I propose the following...


As it stands, there are BC's which get the ability to equip weapons meant for BS's.
I propose BS's (one for each faction of course) which get the ability to equip weapons meant for capitals.

That's it. Simple, elegant, effective.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-10-24 14:40:05 UTC
what's wrong with vindis?

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Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2014-10-24 14:52:04 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:

I propose BS's (one for each faction of course) which get the ability to equip weapons meant for capitals.
That's it. Simple, elegant, effective.


NO! Just no, lets move on.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#4 - 2014-10-24 14:58:07 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



You'd be better off using a Kronos.

Even then, it doesn't hold a flame to the Dreadnaughts, Carriers, and Titans that can exist in Null and Low. Capitals can even be in WH space (even if it means you have to build it there).

Simply lacks the DPS.

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-10-24 15:05:34 UTC
No. The real problem is that offline POSes can't simply be looted. If the shield is down, power is offline, why can't we just scoop/loot them? That would solve the problem of too many offline POSes cluttering up systems.

Now if you are talking about online POSes, they should not be easier to take out.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#6 - 2014-10-24 15:06:29 UTC
CCP have announced that they're going to be introducing "glass cannon" weapons which will greatly increase your dps in exchange for a reduction of your resists to 0%.

This, combined with the high DPS ships such as the Vindicator will allow for effective high sec POS removal, I suspect.
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2014-10-24 15:08:07 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



You'd be better off using a Kronos.

Even then, it doesn't hold a flame to the Dreadnaughts, Carriers, and Titans that can exist in Null and Low. Capitals can even be in WH space (even if it means you have to build it there).

Simply lacks the DPS.


Carriers do less DPS to POS's than ravens.
Titans are not the most useful thing to use to kill a POS as a dread can do the job much better so no one really does it.
Dreads do good DPS but they have massive disadvantages compared to just using BS's

if you want to kill POS's in high sec then you have to live with the disadvantages of your actions.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2014-10-24 15:39:31 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



You'd be better off using a Kronos.
.

go fit a vindi and a kronos for max dps on eft and say that again

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-10-24 15:54:55 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:


That's it. Simple, elegant, effective.


Getting friends to help in your bash is not simple enough?
Ix Method
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-10-24 16:42:09 UTC
You're right about the problem and hopefully when POS get magiced highsec will be considered. That being said this is the sort of ill-conceived, band-aid crap they've seemingly been trying to move away from.

Please don't go giving them any ideas.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#11 - 2014-10-24 16:44:02 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
CCP have announced that they're going to be introducing "glass cannon" weapons which will greatly increase your dps in exchange for a reduction of your resists to 0%.

This, combined with the high DPS ships such as the Vindicator will allow for effective high sec POS removal, I suspect.

They're already out on SISI. They're pretty underwhelming at present, but at least CCP have indicated that they're making considerations for improving them.

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#12 - 2014-10-24 16:47:11 UTC
There are vindis, AFK-stable oracles, etc.
There is no need for more unless you are trying to drop multiple online POS, in which case, bring numbers sufficient to do it in the time available.

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Behr Oroo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-10-24 16:51:37 UTC
Like I said in another post. Why are towers special snowflake that cant be scooped? We can fly faster than light, cloak our ships, jump instantly across lightyears.... but we cant figure out how to scoop an offline pos without destroying it, if it doesnt have our name on it?
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#14 - 2014-10-24 16:55:11 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
AFK-stable oracles


This. Nothing says taking down an offline POS from an inactive corp by wardeccing the corp, grabbing an Oracle, press F1, and goto work. You will either come back to the game in a station, or to an empty moon.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-10-24 16:55:36 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



Did you ever tried to kill a POS in high sec? They are always fitted with a trillion ECM and battleships are unable to fire more than once every 5 minutes.




That is why I asked already when bastion was introduced, to make it scriptable. With an offensive script that doubles the DPS, cuttign the tracking to 1/5th and reducing defenses. That would make a great ship to kill high sec POSs.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-10-24 16:56:26 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
CCP have announced that they're going to be introducing "glass cannon" weapons which will greatly increase your dps in exchange for a reduction of your resists to 0%.

This, combined with the high DPS ships such as the Vindicator will allow for effective high sec POS removal, I suspect.



did you even check the stats of those weaposn in sis? ZERO% on your own resists half the range for 12% more DPS.. ooo greatly increase.. LOL.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-10-24 17:11:43 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



Did you ever tried to kill a POS in high sec? They are always fitted with a trillion ECM and battleships are unable to fire more than once every 5 minutes.




That is why I asked already when bastion was introduced, to make it scriptable. With an offensive script that doubles the DPS, cuttign the tracking to 1/5th and reducing defenses. That would make a great ship to kill high sec POSs.


You get jammed by offline POS now?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#18 - 2014-10-24 17:16:21 UTC
Posting in a stealth "make suicide ganks unstoppable" thread.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-10-24 17:17:18 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what's wrong with vindis?



Did you ever tried to kill a POS in high sec? They are always fitted with a trillion ECM and battleships are unable to fire more than once every 5 minutes.




That is why I asked already when bastion was introduced, to make it scriptable. With an offensive script that doubles the DPS, cuttign the tracking to 1/5th and reducing defenses. That would make a great ship to kill high sec POSs.


You get jammed by offline POS now?



forget the offlien POS. peopel only care for the offline ones because the online ones are UNKILLABLE, exaclty because of ECM. That is the role that is needed. Not a kill offline POS

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-10-24 17:19:45 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:

forget the offlien POS. peopel only care for the offline ones because the online ones are UNKILLABLE, exaclty because of ECM. That is the role that is needed. Not a kill offline POS


Because there's not a BS that can go into highsec and do dps and cannot be ECMed.. nope cannot think of one.
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