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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#161 - 2014-10-24 13:07:56 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
embrel wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
embrel wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Maybe we shouldn't get emotionally invested in a video game?


why then should we play it?

I'd assume games you are not emotionally invested in will tend to bore you rather quickly.

EDIT: oh, I see this has been discussed... point stands though.


A. Its fun,

B. Its enjoyable,

C. Its a 'sandbox' I can have a little pride in but, not attachment to the point I have a meltdown when someone destroys my castle

D. All of the above.


and the fun and the enjoyable part are what make you emotionally invested. To some degree or other. Good if you get the shakes at max, less so if you start crying.


No they don't you can still firmly separate video games and real life while still doing abcd.


You're not grasping what it means to be 'emotionally invested'.

Does your heart rate increase when engaged in ship v ship?
Do your hand begin to shake during a close fight?
Hell, do you even just enjoy playing the game?

Emotional investment isn't just black and white. The greater the emotional investment, the greater you will be emotionally impacted. To lack emotional investment, means to find it boring and be generally disinterested.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#162 - 2014-10-24 13:29:42 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:

You're not grasping what it means to be 'emotionally invested'.


One of you isn't, at any rate.

Quote:

Does your heart rate increase when engaged in ship v ship?


Being exciting does not equate to emotional investment.

Quote:

Do your hand begin to shake during a close fight?


See above.

Quote:

Hell, do you even just enjoy playing the game?


Enjoyable is not emotional investment either. I enjoy my Monopoly set. I am not emotionally invested in it. I can always buy a new one. That's what ships are in EVE Online.

Quote:

To lack emotional investment, means to find it boring and be generally disinterested.


Remember when I said that one of you doesn't understand the definition? It's you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#163 - 2014-10-24 13:44:45 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Enjoyable is not emotional investment either. I enjoy my Monopoly set. I am not emotionally invested in it. I can always buy a new one. That's what ships are in EVE Online.


You didn't say it loud enough so I highlighted :) .
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#164 - 2014-10-24 13:52:24 UTC
we're kinda splitting hairs now.

I don't actually enjoy my Monopoly set. I enjoy playing Monopoly however...:)

and my boy doesn't like loosing at monopoly because he looses the monopoly set, but because he doesn't win the game.

but I really shouldn't split hairs about english semantics as it isn't my native language. especially as googling the term returns hits like "Are you letting your emotions drive your investment decisions?"
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#165 - 2014-10-24 14:05:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Being exciting does not equate to emotional investment.


Yes it does. To be excited, you would have to find it exciting. If you were not emotionally invested at all, then you would not find it exciting.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#166 - 2014-10-24 14:10:28 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Being exciting does not equate to emotional investment.


Yes it does. To be excited, you would have to find it exciting. If you were not emotionally invested at all, then you would not find it exciting.


Feeling something does not equate to emotional investment.

Emotional investment in a video game is, to put it mildly, a bad thing. Moreso if it makes you flip your lid when you lose. That's just childish at best, and symptomatic of a mental illness at worst.

Enjoying a video game for whatever reason is not a bad thing. Stop trying to create a false equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#167 - 2014-10-24 14:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Being exciting does not equate to emotional investment.


Yes it does. To be excited, you would have to find it exciting. If you were not emotionally invested at all, then you would not find it exciting.


This is not true. Their are plenty of ways to be 'excited' by something you aren't emotionally invested in. Roller Coasters and Casual Sex come to mind.

"Emotionally Invested" means that you are entangled in a situation, and it's outcome can have a negative impact on you. Not getting to ride a roller coaster doesn't devastate a person emotionally unless they are 5 years old and told they are too short or young to ride lol.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#168 - 2014-10-24 14:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
embrel wrote:
we're kinda splitting hairs now.

I don't actually enjoy my Monopoly set. I enjoy playing Monopoly however...:)

and my boy doesn't like loosing at monopoly because he looses the monopoly set, but because he doesn't win the game.

but I really shouldn't split hairs about english semantics as it isn't my native language. especially as googling the term returns hits like "Are you letting your emotions drive your investment decisions?"


This is an example of the concept being discussed ie, "UNWARRANTED emotional investment".

Also

Losing a space ship should be #8..

TL;DR, some things are stupid to worry about.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#169 - 2014-10-24 14:18:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Being exciting does not equate to emotional investment.


Yes it does. To be excited, you would have to find it exciting. If you were not emotionally invested at all, then you would not find it exciting.


This is not true. Their are plenty of ways to be 'excited' by something you aren't emotionally invested in. Roller Coasters and Casual Sex come to mind.

"Emotionally Invested" means that you are entangled in a situation, and it's outcome can have a negative impact on you. Not getting to ride a roller coaster doesn't devastate a person emotionally unless they are 5 years old and told they are too short or young to ride lol.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you just related Eve to roller coasters and casual sex. I'm really hoping you meant it to be more the former than the latter.

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#170 - 2014-10-24 14:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia.

I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents.

I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid.

The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career.

My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems.
Anslo
Scope Works
#171 - 2014-10-24 14:36:37 UTC
You ever think the emotional investment wasn't based on the ship, but the game itself and everything you put into it?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#172 - 2014-10-24 14:42:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You ever think the emotional investment wasn't based on the ship, but the game itself and everything you put into it?


No.

It's a combination of unhealthy attachment and functional narcissism. They think they are or should be "immune". When the inherent wrongness of this belief is demonstrated in terms impossible to ignore(like having your ship blown up), the subject flies into a rage rather than confront the possibility of being wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#173 - 2014-10-24 14:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Anslo wrote:
You ever think the emotional investment wasn't based on the ship, but the game itself and everything you put into it?


Being emotionally invested in a video game that could die at any moment is dumb. I put a lot of time into EVE, but I keep it in context, it is entertainment, it means nothing beyond that. The relationships I've made with people in EVE is a bit different, but that does not change what EVE is. A game.

With the exception of the things I mention is the post before this one, I follow the tenets of "DeNiro-ism". EVE Online is constantly within 30 seconds from not existing for me, if it becomes unfun or requires too much 'investment'.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#174 - 2014-10-24 14:44:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia.

I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents.

I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid.

The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career.

My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems.

You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2014-10-24 14:46:46 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


No they don't you can still firmly separate video games and real life while still doing abcd.


You're not grasping what it means to be 'emotionally invested'.

Does your heart rate increase when engaged in ship v ship?
Do your hand begin to shake during a close fight?
Hell, do you even just enjoy playing the game?

Emotional investment isn't just black and white. The greater the emotional investment, the greater you will be emotionally impacted. To lack emotional investment, means to find it boring and be generally disinterested.


You are confusing sympathetic ns activation with emotional investment.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#176 - 2014-10-24 14:48:13 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia.

I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents.

I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid.

The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career.

My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems.

You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.


I remember the shower I took this morning, I guess I'm emotionally invested in washing my ass?

You have a screwy and incorrect idea of what the term "emotional investment" means. Just because you spend time on something or remember something doesn't mean you are attached to it. I remember the burger I ate yesterday too.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#177 - 2014-10-24 14:48:25 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.


And you are trying to equate "emotional investment", which is very often an unhealthy behavior, with feeling anything at all, ever.

And you're completely off base.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#178 - 2014-10-24 14:49:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I remember the burger I ate yesterday too.


"Alas, Poor Mac, I ate him well"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#179 - 2014-10-24 14:52:06 UTC
Eve is a video game. If a video game can make you so upset you will literally flip the table, you shouldn't be playing it. It's that simple.

Do you feel bad when you lose? Yeah, sure. Everyone does to an extent. Humans are hardwired to want to win. But when the degree of that down feeling exceeds by an order of magnitude the degree to which what you lost will impact your life, you have a problem.

I understand people freaking out when they lose their house gambling in Vegas. The impact to their real life, and to their family, is huge. They shouldn't do that anymore, and they should get help.

If a loss in a video game can make you feel as upset as a guy who just lost his family's home on the roulette table, you need help as much as the gambling addict.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2014-10-24 14:52:40 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.


These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience.

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