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S.O.E. as pirate faction? <-- The HORROR

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#21 - 2014-10-22 15:15:39 UTC
Stupid double post.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#22 - 2014-10-22 15:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
Deacon Abox wrote:

As with many things in the eve backstory it does not make sense. For instance why are they in Pure Blind close to Caldari space when they are so interested in the Eve Gate, or whatever it is, which is over in Amarr lowsec, or wherever. Shows you how much I, and I suspect many others, follow this stuff since it seems so incoherent. Yeah, I know I'm in FW.Big smile


Funny thing about that. You wouldn't realise it at first glance but SOE ships are a technological mash of Amarr, Gallente AND Caldari ship design. With the Caldari technology being dominant.

The core technology that makes the Astero and the Stratios the cloaked menace they are, is actually their propulsion systems, that were squeezed and modified intensively to not only promote performance, retain warp capacity while cloaked and enjoy plenty of cargohold space. Their ship's warp cores are kept inside cylinders barely outside the hull and seperated from the engine machinery for this reason alone. To reduce warp core interference from the ship's cloaking devices.

Their proximity to Caldari space is probably due to the relation SOE has with Propel Dynamics, the corporation responsible for the main breakthroughs for the Astero and the Stratios mobility. Sanctuary has no doubt contacts with Caldari corporations, and SOE itself opperates accross all four empires, despite strained relations with the Amarr and the Caldari. The reliance in drones and energy turrets for weaponry however, was borrowed from the Gallente and Amarr doctrines and are actually very unimportant for the ship's main function as an exploration vessel. The Astero itself is flexible enough to use different weapon turret types, or most of the time, no weapons at all aside from drones.

I really like SOE ships, and SOE as a faction, if you haven't noticed already. And don't get me started on the Nestor, else I won't shut up about the reasons the darn thing is so awesome.
Darth Bladius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-10-22 15:49:08 UTC
Airdorn wrote:
It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.

That is all.


"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain´t part of five main empires".
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#24 - 2014-10-22 15:51:53 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not only that they do not have beards, eye patches, parrots, hooks, peg legs or punctuate every sentence with "Ahrrrrr".

They are "Pirates" because their ships use design features from more than one faction and that breaks EVE fair copyright use agreements and hence they are "Pirates".

That does not mean they are evil. In Australia for example 10's of 1000's of people subscribe to and buy content from overseas companies like netflix in the US. Because purchasing movies and music overseas is bypassing an Australian government established monopoly that allows a couple of media millionaires to make a killing on media content in Australia they are deemed "pirates" but that does not make them evil or malicious.


having different companies produce different parts of a ship doesnt make them pirates.
in that case Concord are pirates.
SOE just noted who the best people were to build certain things like our aircraft industry in the realworld, they will use multiple companies for an engine and end up switching contracts if 1 if better then the other.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-10-22 19:41:18 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Nuns with guns.


made so much better by the fact they use the Empires Holy Fire, its like someone at CCP buys overpriced miniatures from a greedy british company or something
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-10-22 23:57:56 UTC
Darth Bladius wrote:
Airdorn wrote:
It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.

That is all.


"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain´t part of five main empires".

Jove don't exist.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-10-23 02:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Darth Bladius wrote:
Airdorn wrote:
It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.

That is all.


"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain´t part of five main empires".

Jove don't exist.



It is worth noting that amongst the more common and recognizable symbols on the Stratios there is one unidentified one that bears a striking resemblance to Polaris Corp the enigmatic Jove/Developer run corp.

http://i.imgur.com/cw0dO0V.png

The recognisable corps are:
Chemal Tech - Gallente Federation
Propel Dynamics - Caldari State
Zero-G Research Firm - Caldari State
Eifyr and Co. - Minmatar Republic
Carthum Conglomerate. - Amarr

In terms of the OP, anything that sources more than one faction is "pirate".
stoicfaux
#28 - 2014-10-23 02:26:55 UTC
Given how cozy SoE is with rogue drones, pirate may be too polite of a term.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Serene Repose
#29 - 2014-10-23 02:55:11 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Nuns with guns.
Yer too FAST for meh.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-10-23 04:59:31 UTC
Kinda like when people refer to Peshmerga as a terrorist group.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#31 - 2014-10-23 06:07:28 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Darth Bladius wrote:
Airdorn wrote:
It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.

That is all.


"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain´t part of five main empires".

Jove don't exist.



My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when you hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he does not exist.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#32 - 2014-10-23 10:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Maybe just remove the "pirate" in ISIS and call them SOE or faction.
They are not pirates. Same as Sansha, and Mordu Legion, and Syndicate, and Krusual.
From these all I think that Sansha is the most State like entity. They have their own caps too.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-10-23 10:49:10 UTC
Airdorn wrote:
It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.

That is all.


Maybe you should read the lore/chronicles, there are some pretty strong indications of soe having ulterior motives

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Athena Aideron
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-10-24 00:21:31 UTC
We NEED a Fedo pirate nation. Nuf said GG

I'M not having fun until YOU'RE not having fun.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#35 - 2014-10-24 03:39:58 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Nuns with guns.



I saw a movie like that once, lets just say I didn't watch it for the plot Twisted

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Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#36 - 2014-10-24 04:49:17 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
I really like SOE ships, and SOE as a faction, if you haven't noticed already. And don't get me started on the Nestor, else I won't shut up about the reasons the darn thing is so awesome.


tell us about the nestor please i enjoyed reading your statement
Wendrika Hydreiga
#37 - 2014-10-24 13:20:26 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
I really like SOE ships, and SOE as a faction, if you haven't noticed already. And don't get me started on the Nestor, else I won't shut up about the reasons the darn thing is so awesome.


tell us about the nestor please i enjoyed reading your statement


Oh the Nestor, where to begin? It is no doubt a beautiful ship, and no doubt more than person thought that "something" was keeping the Nestor from reaching the same potential of her sisters.

The Nestor is rife with modifications and design artifacts done to the hull to accomodate the different design directions SOE took during the Nestor's development, but the number one key purpose of the creation of the Nestor was to create New Eden's first Covert Ops Exploration Battleship. The same technology used to make the Astero and the Stratios possible was employed on the Nestor, including changes to the warp core placement, propulsion systems and performance tweaks in order to reduce the interference with a Covert Ops Cloaking Device with the Nestor's warp cores. The result was an incredebly light, agile and spacious Battleship class vessel capable of traversing wormholes with minimal stability loss done to them.

But the Nestor still couldn't fit a Covert Ops Cloaking Device even after all the modification done to it. A warp core capable of moving a Battleship lets out too much intereference to the cloaking device. So SOE scrapped the idea and invested in transforming the Nestor into a support logistics ship, and instead of starting from scratch, they picked up from where they were and used the heavily modified prototype hull as basis. This allowed it to retain a lot of the work done to the Nestor, including the subsystems borrowed from the Astero and Stratios.

Perhaps what makes the Nestor special is her role as a Master of None ship. Logistics, support, offensive, defensive, exploration. The Nestor is capable of filling a myriad of roles, and it is most famously known as a capable fleet flagship. But it is also sturdy, capable of meshing drones and large laser turrets, and employ them from a distance. Recently the unused shuttle bay (an artifact from the initial attemps to make the Nestor an exploration ship, still visible in the lower deck of the ship) was finaly give a purpose in the form of a maintenance bay, further cementing it's role as a support ship. Still, there are a lot of voices saying the Nestor is still missing something to reach her full potential, and a lot of guess work went to finding that out with no avail.

Trust me, if I had the ISK, the skills, and even a silver of tolerance towards armor tanking, I'd get a Nestor and go on Highsec adventures with it. And the ship is beautiful, even if it underperforms when compared to other Battleships with a smaller price tag.

And this is why the Servant Sisters of EVE are my favourite Pirate Faction.
Erin Crawford
#38 - 2014-10-24 13:55:17 UTC
Quote:
S.O.E. as pirate faction? <-- The HORROR


The real horror is that we are missing the SOE BC.

SOE needs to build a battle cruiser, just as there is the Ferox - a bigger version of the Moa, or the Drake - a bigger version of the Caracal. SOE need to build a BC - the Ferox, Hurricane, Drake version from SOE!
Blink

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "

stoicfaux
#39 - 2014-10-24 14:12:52 UTC
Erin Crawford wrote:
Quote:
S.O.E. as pirate faction? <-- The HORROR


The real horror is that we are missing the SOE BC.

SOE needs to build a battle cruiser, just as there is the Ferox - a bigger version of the Moa, or the Drake Thorax - a bigger version of the Caracal Iteron V. SOE need to build a BC - the Ferox, Hurricane, Drake Thorax, Iteron, Nightmare version from SOE!
Blink

FTFY.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Erin Crawford
#40 - 2014-10-24 14:39:22 UTC
forgot... also a SOE Destroyer.

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "

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