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Helping New Pilots and Corps

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#81 - 2014-10-22 23:45:11 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Exactly, the problem is that people in w-space are unwilling to become content creators, and their aren't enough currently.

I agree with this. Didn't want to ruin it by reading the rest.


Start by petitioning a reduction in the victim complex that pve generates by necessity. Force fleets of more complexity than 2x carrier 2x dreads and complimentary lokis. The RR fix to sleepers may have done some work on that front but more needs to occur for example that higher class sites spawn *many* frigates. Like dozens of them. Simple changes.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#82 - 2014-10-23 00:18:32 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
How: Decide on a set of rules that help you achieve your goal and then work within those rules.

Maybe the objectives would dynamically change over time but as long as you base it around a good concept, you can't go far wrong.

To be fair, Rek, as much as I like RvB, the last thing I'd like to see in wormholes is more structure, boundaries, and rules. Recently, with my little bit of playing in null and my understanding and experience with some of those areas of gameplay, I'd hate to bring any of that to wormholes.

If a new group or players want to come into wormholes, I'm all for it, will promote it and even help them if they sincerely need it, but I'm very much against the idea of creating a series of finite or arbitrary rules to direct the players within the wormhole environment. Everyone should feel free to play as they would intend, which means that if James is mad at ADHOC and wants to plow their home, that's his prerogative, they'll likely rebuild and return. If BU wants to use API data to destroy escalation fleets, well no more, but when they could, whatever...

If Hidden, Ayeson, Exo, Xtrah, or any other shot callers want to tag team, solo, or burn things down, that's their thing. Everyone should be free to do as they please, without ANY LIMITATIONS. This is just my opinion, but I would prefer less organization outside the corp or alliance level.

Does that mean I'm against friendships and cooperatives? Nope. Anyone who I had the privilege to hang out with this past weekend learned/knew, I really do enjoy having fun with friends and making new friends. That doesn't mean we should cultivate wormholes into a structured and governed zone. It should be fun and limitless. I feel this way about most of the game, but I understand the mechanics support cultivation in some cases, but wormholes isn't/shouldn't be that place.

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Gunner GzR
Timber Wolves
#83 - 2014-10-23 03:47:54 UTC
Wormholes need to continue being the wild lands of eve..

Unbound
No rules
and free to explore,Fight and Die in

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King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#84 - 2014-10-23 04:32:56 UTC
He is right tho
Brutus Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-10-23 06:10:08 UTC
Anything that incourages new pilots to join wormhole space should be supported in my view. More active pilots who are farming wormholes means more prey! Or new pilots who want to PVP with out local is great.

I setup a corp 2 years ago and transitioned to wormholes not long after and its been a challenge. Growing and trusting pilots is probably one of the more difficult aspects of wormhole life due to the old code used in POS mechanics. But there are some simple methods to help protect individual assets. Income for pilots is also important:

Just some thoughts on what I see happening in wormholes.

C1s - Drug labs / Indy farmed by C2 dwellers. Small groups can with a bit of planning and effort be making 60-100m an hour.
C2s - Indy with good static access to K Space - Probably the worst isk sites in wormhole space.
C3s - Indy with good connections for PVP - 90-125m per hour if you find a good one.
C4s - Empty space, I just find these a pain due to the spawn range of sleepers compared to a C3.
C5/C6 - The big isk occupied by two types of corps the truely active PVP drop on you hard (experienced this so many times :)
or the guys who close every connection instantly and farm in relative safety. I have no real experience of life in the big leagues, I have seen how much more secure this enviroment can be.

The T3 meta requires a relativly good income and skill level, I couldn't fly these at the beginning.
Populating lower class wormholes with small corps is great but with the the advent of greater wormhole spawns they face ever more difficult challenges. Support in helping transitioning new corps to wormhole life should be commended.

If the support is to help them setup a POS correctly, on occasion I see the harderners on the outside. Or how to setup scouts and understand the mass mechanics. Dscanning a wormhole out before dropping probes.

I'm more than happy to support new corps.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2014-10-23 07:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Proclus Diadochu wrote:

To be fair, Rek, as much as I like RvB, the last thing I'd like to see in wormholes is more structure, boundaries, and rules...

...That doesn't mean we should cultivate wormholes into a structured and governed zone. It should be fun and limitless. I feel this way about most of the game, but I understand the mechanics support cultivation in some cases, but wormholes isn't/shouldn't be that place.


But rules are fun Proc Blink

I understand what you're saying but don't think for a second that I would want to split the entirety of wormhole space into a red team and a blue team. I was just saying that if a group of players wanted to dramatically increase the population in wormhole space, it would be a far better to introduce a structured systems (a game within a game), instead of creating chat channels, forum posts and thinking happy thoughts.

At the end of the day, I'm happy sticking to what i have been saying for years; CCP adding new content is the only/best way to increase the population in wormhole space Attention

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Angus MacDoom
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-10-23 10:07:18 UTC
Some good ideas floating,, except null-bear input (because uninformed), the bottom line is that new people need to be introduced and informed into w-space, working towards a goal of having, eventually, competent new PVP groups to fight against, whatever the wormhole class, (hence this thread offering advice and assistance). Good to see others stepping up and offering the same. All good and well sticking by "The Code" as some put it, but what you gonna do when you are the only ones left in w-space? Masturbate over your victory?

Get RvB out of your head, it already exists in some other place outside of w-space. -1.0 is lawless, lets keep it that way.
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2014-10-23 16:03:29 UTC
Imho any RvB thing across wspace will fail to work because the parties will simply not meet often enough to make it meaningful. A silly idea I had during lunch today (and I probably overlooked some massive drawback) is to have them in a single hole. Sort of a WH noobie pvp incubator (some C2 with HS) with two alliances living there and shooting each other. POSes would be off limits but POCOs (with 0% tax for owners and some reasonable 10-ish tax for the other alliance) could be nice target to wrestle about. And of course if they find something juicy in connecting holes, they gang up together.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2014-10-23 17:04:16 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Imho any RvB thing across wspace will fail to work because the parties will simply not meet often enough to make it meaningful.


But it's not like they couldn't attack regular people... The RvB thing just provides FC with regular and guaranteed fights during the quieter times and i'd guess people would put scouts in the enemy teams wormhole just like people do in regular corps.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#90 - 2014-10-23 18:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Fremen
I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#91 - 2014-10-23 19:13:27 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole.


Qft.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#92 - 2014-10-23 19:35:09 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole.



read "I would bring enough people to crush whatever resistance they put up"

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-10-23 19:37:05 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole.



read "I would bring enough people to crush whatever resistance they put up"


Isn't that how we measure success? As in, if you didn't bring enough and were routed you'd be publicly ridiculed?

Is this eve?

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#94 - 2014-10-23 20:39:29 UTC
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole.



read "I would bring enough people to crush whatever resistance they put up"


Isn't that how we measure success? As in, if you didn't bring enough and were routed you'd be publicly ridiculed?

Is this eve?


When you want to encourage new people to join, aiming for equal numbers is more likely to foster a better attitude towards WH PvP than crushing 6 people with 30.

It's a dumb approach though because that's playing with kiddie gloves and isn't fun for those who can't come. Dual-edged though because they're likely to POS up/log off whenever they see you even if you're off TZ.

So you're ****** either way.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#95 - 2014-10-23 21:22:41 UTC
We're actually pretty good about fighting smaller people. It's the big people we really gear up for.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#96 - 2014-10-24 00:06:58 UTC
My efforts to get or encourage people into w-space:

  1. BUGRY hires noobs. This is a fact.
  2. BUGRY trains noobs.
  3. We supply and accept doctrines / fleet concepts / kitchen sinks, which utilise noobs and the ships noobs can fly. Because I fly these ships.
  4. In channel Join W-space, or Beggars Bowl, if you are seeking an empty wormhole and I find one, i will get you into it, free of charge. Yes. Free. There's no point paying even one ISK for a wormhole because right now so many are empty. I'll help address this. Why pay 200M when that's enough for a fully set-up medium POS?
  5. We will gank proportionately. We will tackle with ships you could conceivably kill, with sleepers on field, with skill and understanding, and will consider a no bubbles policy in future if newbros are finding being podded out a real PITA and this is preventing population growth
  6. We will farm our statics without even checking for wormholes because #YOLO.


Additionally, anyone in the AU TZ is invited along on the weekly lowsec public and scrub roam leaving Stacmon 0900 GMT. Or, you can oppose us, hot drop, gank, pipe bomb, whatever. Because content.

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Gunner GzR
Timber Wolves
#97 - 2014-10-24 12:43:42 UTC
oh wait were in school.. don't care and thanks for the wall of text. You must be a girl as you talk forever.

You keep Making Statements with out facts

As far as Losing my Moros and some Or Most of the Fleet in a sleeper sight While attacking 4 chimeras( Which Died BTW) that's pvp it happens and i would still take a fleet in balls deep to do it again and Have With better Results.
Its a learning Thing and To this Day every Fight is different.That Fight Was Lost when Our Archon Pilot Capped Himself Out. Stuff Happens Dont Blame Him For my lose and we Laugh about that Once in a while to this day.


Never saw you Step up to FC a Fleet and as you admit you are a low corp thief. So everything you say is suspect now. So thanks For making that statement Public.


Troll


Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#98 - 2014-10-24 16:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: RudinV
Gunner GzR wrote:
oh wait were in school.. don't care and thanks for the wall of text. You must be a girl as you talk forever.


statement based on gender is always autoloose. soz man, u can go now... next plz
Gunner GzR
Timber Wolves
#99 - 2014-10-24 21:18:22 UTC
Trolls.Why hijack a thread to help players..Roll
Start a New I hate Gunner thread or something..Stop hijacking this one

Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
Daldaman
Mediocre skill infrequent kill
#100 - 2014-10-24 22:51:24 UTC
I'll try to get this back on track.

W-space channel great in theory but just fails so far. Everytime 0300- 0700 I login it shows 6-8 people in it and when someone talks in it never any replies. Would be great to get more people in it.

I am the epitome of noob I played skill que online for the first few years playing EVE took a very long time away from game and been back a year because I want to be in wh. I can now between my alts fly every wh required ship great tank and capacitor skills pos gunner all scan skills at 4 or better.

So a few questions I have

1)Isk self sufficient I see this term in wh recruitment posts.

Am I overthinking this? How am I supposed to know if this is possible. The last thing I want to do is join a corp have fun for a few weeks then have to grind incursions or lvl 4 and not contribute to the new corp. Or does this mean I should dual train all my accounts for PI alts?


2) Pvp experience

I have very little I pvped in 2004 in Stain alliance failed horribly at it Did some gate camping boring as ****. Should I be joining RVB or FW or Spectre Fleet or is there a place for a noob pvper in w space?