EVE General Discussion

I am not going to bother trying to quote anything you said in reply to me.
You know nothing about Mass Production.
Even less how to calculate Man hours vs Actual Production Costs and Marketability.

An example: 1 Man hour can = enough trit to build 78 Cormorants. at a total of 79.56 million isk....thats like 64.56 profit right there.....but again I am an Industrialist, I have the skills most miners do not to maximize processing, researching, manfacturing.
I may not go mining, but I do provide other 'services' that are inherently valuable to those that do.

Are you Amarr by any chance? Cause i think your Plantation is going to seed and you should hurry back to it. Try this again when you learn how to actually do Indy.

You get beaten because you have a stupid business model, not because of the visibility of the price.

You are trying to buy scrap metal for ~60% of the price any scrap yard on every corner will buy, with no added value.

Real life mining corporations can pay the worker just for the work because the worker cannot just mine the ore around the corner and sell it around another corner, the corp owns the mine, has the logistics and contacts to sell the ore. Not even taking the fact into account that running a deep mine with machinery for high yield is completely out of scope of a solo miner, thus his pay is likely to be much bigger than anything he would earn shoveling dirt.

How about you add a orca into the mix, make them mine 130% in half an hour and pay them for 115-120% ?

Much simple lore compatible answer:
10000 years in the future, every space rich pod pilot can google the value of their basic abundant materials. Researched blueprints, blueprint copies, and supercraps are some of the few thing that do not fall into this category.

RL compatible straight to your heart right now answer:
Information is now free. There are those who do not know, or do not care, and there may well always be. We have seven billion people to educate, and we have barely scratched the surface as of this post, but believe you me, we're only getting started. I won't black out. There are already hundreds of millions who already realize that people like you are killing our planet and destroying our children's pursuit of happiness. We only play along because it is the winning move at the moment, according to prisoner's dilemma and other game theories. You see it everyday. Novel ways to take away your unwarranted gluttonous wealth. Everyone will know how to do what you do. Everyone will be able to make the CHOICE of whether to sell to you or to themselves. Everyone will own. Everyone will be a capitalist. Your job is becoming obsolete.

Henry Ford built something good for his workers. Sam Walton did as well. These men understood the true value of hard work. Their employees had things the current capitalist is attempting to devalue. There are questions that your linemen can answer, where you would falter. There are tasks your frontmen handle daily while you would collapse. There is a sense of pride in burning actual calories while on the fields of these plantations that cannot be bought from your local gym. There is camaraderie that cannot be felt by sociopaths who tend to rise through the ranks too fast to notice the actual people around them. The people who make this shift work.

It's gotten so bad that the actual investors of these companies expect the workers to be paid more after being told these wonderful lies about how well a company is doing. The assets line, inflated. The liability line, deflated. The income of these very executives who force this tragedy of trust, preposterous. Then the golden parachute opens, and they spread to the next multibillion dollar company. **** your company.

If the fat cats were spending all the money they "earn" instead of hoarding it, it would not be as bad. Still bad but a little less imo.

Maybe you need to investigate some of the issues with your economic model before praising it as being great. With 20% unemployment in the USA alone it should be raising questions about the relative value of middlemen

The model you described does not work in real life. The USA is bankrupt due to that very reason. Shifting profits from the masses to a concentrated minority and denying them work and wages at the same time by outsourcing production has a devastating economical effect on a local level. As people fall down below a comfortable living income, and under the burden of taxes, their domestic spending is lowered, affecting small business negatively. This becomes a recurrent pattern, compounding the problem. Businesses close. Soon people fall below the poverty line, lose their homes. They stop paying taxes. They stop contributing altogether. The economy recedes further.

And then you're upset that people that are playing a game for fun are unwilling to be subjected to such treatment within the game.

Completely and utterly wrong. The market decides what things are worth, but if someone sees a little box telling them their stuff is worth X amount, they're going to believe that over someone who's trying to haggle the price downward in order to make better profits. It is essentially a belief trick. They will automatically assume their ore value is worth just that much.

It's not about them not knowing what their product is worth. IF you're SOOO concerned about that, stop the regional buy orders on modules that are put up for a literal 0.01 isk, by setting up 50% or 60% or, from the way you act seems to be like thinking a trader should only make 2%, 98% of market value. You talk a good game about fairness but I don't see you taking it upon yourself to give missions runners the "proper" value of trade in your eyes.

If a ceo or small business owner doesn't make any profit from creating that business, what is the point?

As they should be, why should they be interested in YOUR profits?

The number you see is computed from historical data, the market creates it.

I have the same thing on the lower right corner of all my wimmins pics. I stay away from all the ones with a minus value...