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Pro TIps
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-10-20 17:17:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The fact that, to actually get kills, you are forced to wardec dozens of corps at once just exemplifies the need to buff the wardec system considerably.

Here's an idea: dec someone who has more than 5 players online, use a locator agent, and go shoot them.

Shocking fact: most players do not spend the majority of their time in Niarja.
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-10-20 17:21:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
We didn't even make it past the first page before someone whipped out the "harassment" lie again.

For the record, it is not harassment to repeatedly wardec someone if they corp hop or dec dodge you. It is not harassment to suicide gank someone more than once if they continue to fail at defending themselves. They actually have to "make an effort" to avoid you, and that does not include blithely trying to pretend that EVE is a single player game.

You are allowed to make a point in EVE Online, and you are allowed to do it with someone else's repeated demise.


For the record, I would advise to not push your luck too far as CCP have demonstrated a will to handle rules in more or less draconian way depending on how big a case get outside of the game. What CCP will consider harassement and what they will consider enough effort to avoid you is completely subjective to every single case and we all know it. The fact that some people don't accept it does not mean it can't happen.


Nope. Screw that.

If I gank someone, then they simply reship and go back to being afk in exactly the same belt, yes, I will kill them again. And I will keep doing it until they either give up or get the point.

Blind, stupid insistence on failing in your self defense does not make the inevitable consequences "harassment".

And until CCP decides to stop turning a blind eye to the constant verbal attacks, repeated doxxing, and countless real life threats that occurr every day to the "bad guys" in EVE Online, I will behave as I please. If the rules do not apply equally, they don't apply at all.



This here pretty much,

You want to talk about harassment, how about the guys that spam convo you on 20 different alts about what they are going to do to your mother, or if they ever find you IRL they will kill you, **** your family and so on, because you blew up their spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships.

Honestly some of the people I blow up in game freak out and have no connection with reality what so ever. You report it and they continue to login day after day with nothing being done.

We do what the game tells you we are gonna do, blow up spaceships, and people make death threats or worse and we are supposed to be the crazy sociopaths.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#43 - 2014-10-20 17:28:34 UTC
Pro TIps wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The fact that, to actually get kills, you are forced to wardec dozens of corps at once just exemplifies the need to buff the wardec system considerably.

Here's an idea: dec someone who has more than 5 players online, use a locator agent, and go shoot them.

Shocking fact: most players do not spend the majority of their time in Niarja.


Here's an idea.

If you aren't willing to fight, then you belong in an NPC corp. Period.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2014-10-20 21:38:17 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Agondray wrote:
... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA,
You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed.

Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.

The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.

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All that will achieve is getting people to stay logged off for a week (or they'll log on with an alt for a week, or they'll log off and just not come back).

Wardecs are meaningful already: they are a way to clear abandoned POSes out of hisec, a means to clear POSes out of lowsec without security status penalty, and a means to communicate down votes for forum posts.

If you're looking for someone to fight, wardec a corp that has a history of fighting back in hisec wardecs, or head to Providence where you can shoot anyone! You can't wardec a corp that has a long history of no kills and then complain that they don't fight back. Well, you can complain, but it's really a complaint about your own inability to pick a proper wardec target.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#45 - 2014-10-20 21:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Mara Rinn wrote:

Wardecs are meaningful already: they are a way to clear abandoned POSes out of hisec, a means to clear POSes out of lowsec without security status penalty, and a means to communicate down votes for forum posts.


This is the carebear mentality, ladies and gentlemen.

Look how it spins the hamster wheels in it's brain to try and justify this. Apparently, CCP designed the existing wardec mechanic to...

*drumroll*

Clear out unused POSes!

Oh, fantastic. I am so relieved to hear this, it is such a load off my mind. Now if I can just get some documentation from you, of CCP saying that non consensual PvP is not wanted in highsec, I'll go ahead and cancel my account now.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-10-21 02:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Pro TIps wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.

You are in a high-sec "merc" alliance which does nothing but pick on newbros.

The fact that it is practical and economical for you guys to keep up wardecs on thousands of players in dozens of corps at once exemplifies the need for additional nerfs to the wardec system, such as a doubling of the wardec fee for each concurrent war declaration.


Sitting at Niarja and shooting people who are auto-piloting from Amarr to Jita is not being a brave little warrior, Feyd. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Don't act like your alliance's wars exist for any other reason, because they don't. You aren't removing POSes or POCOs; you aren't fighting over space, and you aren't attacking corps who have any connection to nullsec blocs. You're just shooting up helpless newbie mission-runners and miners.

Once the current ducking exploit is closed, THEN we can talk about numbers of outgoing wars, etc. IF wardec mechanics are to exist, they should be meaningful, not duckable. Debate their existence in total all you want, but IF they exist, they should be meaningful. Period. A bad mechanic of ANY kind is stupid, like yourself.

Also, and speaking slowly for the remedial types...if someone doesn't want to be subjected to wars they can just stay in NPC corps. Done. Want to be able to be in a corp but can't defend yourself, HTFU, or hire mercs, or join a bigger alliance...you know, actual use-thy-brain-sandbox-stuffs...not a mechanic exploit...

Secondly, did you even *look* at my killboard rtard? Did you even do the barest bit of research before mistaking us for f'ing Marmite?

Ass.

F

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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-10-21 10:00:24 UTC
Stop hiding behind CONCORD, you are as protected as much as your target. High sec doesn't prevent ganking, if you cannot take a CONCORD gang bang then your point is moot. Pick a worthy target that cannot afford to leave a Corp (POS), gank when least expecting it, or go to null/low where there are no restrictions. As long as you hide in high sec you are no different than the other bear you want to shoot, you might be butt hurt over something they said in local but I can reiterate that there is no lock on the F1 key if you really want to kill them that badly except for a fear of CONCORD retribution. There is also no rule they have to fight back, so the smacking like a cockroach gank is probably your best bet to show them you mean business.
Athena Aideron
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-10-23 13:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Athena Aideron
In my experience, most of the players that either, cry for a nerf on wars or drop are those that want to be "left alone" .. thats ok I guess, as wanting to be "left alone" is not against the tos and so on. I do think though that wars are ment to be engaging and push the player towards the community, thus creating content for all, and that players that will go through hell and back to avoid them are missing out on the MMO part of the game.

I remember when I had a little carebear corp. I was having all the fun in the world running missions while my corp mates would afk mine all day. Then one night, I recruited Psychotic Monk into my corp. I do remember him being an ok guy, and I was impress by all those things I did not know were possible. After managing to kick him, I got a wardec by one of his buds. Now this is where things began to change for me. I had 0 pvp experience and had no clue as to what to expect. While most of my corpies dropped corp to go back to afk mining, I remained to fight for my flag.

The following week was very interesting as I was discovering a side of Eve that I did not know existed. Since I was now alone against this fellow, I tried to recruit a merc called Cannibal Kane.. He promptly offered to help me and scammed me out of all my isk (something like 650m at the time). That was the only time I tried to hire someone, but was still stoked that all those people were out there.

So alone and pennyless, I still tried to fight the wardecer off. Of course, I died horribly in a ball of fire, but the veil had been lifted and i would never see Eve the same way again. I tried to share my new found happiness about the game to my former corp mates, but they were too busy being afk. In the end, all of them unsubed citing Eve is boring an theres nothing to do.

Now the crux of the matter is that no, droping corp to avoid wardecs is not an exploit (although dropping and reforming instantly should be. Imo, one should be forced to stay in an npc corp for the duration of the dec if you drop) but doing so will deprive you of the hidden oppotunities in Eve.. things that you would never do if "left alone".

For those that want to nerf decs into non existence, I do recommend StarPoint Gemini 2. Its a great single player space game Smile

I'M not having fun until YOU'RE not having fun.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#49 - 2014-10-23 14:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Athena Aideron wrote:
I remember when I had a little carebear corp. I was having all the fun in the world running missions while my corp mates would afk mine all day. Then one night, I recruited Psychotic Monk into my corp. I do remember him being an ok guy, and I was impress by all those things I did not know were possible. After managing to kick him, I got a wardec by one of his buds. Now this is where things began to change for me. I had 0 pvp experience and had no clue as to what to expect. While most of my corpies dropped corp to go back to afk mining, I remained to fight for my flag.

The following week was very interesting as I was discovering a side of Eve that I did not know existed. Since I was now alone against this fellow, I tried to recruit a merc called Cannibal Kane.. He promptly offered to help me and scammed me out of all my isk (something like 650m at the time). That was the only time I tried to hire someone, but was still stoked that all those people were out there.

So alone and pennyless, I still tried to fight the wardecer off. Of course, I died horribly in a ball of fire, but the veil had been lifted and i would never see Eve the same way again. I tried to share my new found happiness about the game to my former corp mates, but they were too busy being afk. in the end, all of them unsubed citing Eve is boring an theres nothing to do.


+1
/Laughed maniacally.
//Would read again.
///Eve is real

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#50 - 2014-10-23 15:36:15 UTC
Athena Aideron wrote:


Now the crux of the matter is that no, droping corp to avoid wardecs is not an exploit (although dropping and reforming instantly should be. Imo, one should be forced to stay in an npc corp for the duration of the dec if you drop) but doing so will deprive you of the hidden oppotunities in Eve.. things that you would never do if "left alone".


This. A thousand times this. Eve is a multiplayer game. Playing Eve means that you have to accept the idea that one day someone, somewhere, is going to royally rain on your parade and explode your ship. Accept it. Embrance it, and realize they're only pixels, and in the grand scheme of things, they're really not that important.


Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
UnknownEnemyCombatant
#51 - 2014-10-23 17:02:36 UTC
someone looking for free plex?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#52 - 2014-10-24 04:39:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:

Wardecs are meaningful already: they are a way to clear abandoned POSes out of hisec, a means to clear POSes out of lowsec without security status penalty, and a means to communicate down votes for forum posts.


This is the carebear mentality, ladies and gentlemen.

Look how it spins the hamster wheels in it's brain to try and justify this. Apparently, CCP designed the existing wardec mechanic to...

*drumroll*

Clear out unused POSes!

Oh, fantastic. I am so relieved to hear this, it is such a load off my mind. Now if I can just get some documentation from you, of CCP saying that non consensual PvP is not wanted in highsec, I'll go ahead and cancel my account now.


The documentation from CCP is already there: corp hopping to avoid wardecs is not an exploit. CCP folks have often stated that the wardec system is primarily used for harassment, and that it needs attention. It's just that nobody has yet been able to identify what can be done that doesn't make wardecs too weak or too strong.

As to your claims, nowhere in my post did I claim that POS removal is what wardecs were "designed" for. Nowhere in my post or this reply have I claimed that CCP doesn't want consensual PvP in hisec. Nowhere in any of my communication have I spun hamster wheels to attempt to justify anything. You're the one madly spinning bulldust, attempting to extract nonsense from my perfectly comprehensible writing.

My statement stands that wardecs are good for clearing POSes. My statement also stands that using wardecs to harass an individual or group of players is against the EULA and TOS. What is left is consensual PvP where you wardec someone, and they actually fight back: CCP celebrates this when it happens.

So if you want consensual PvP in hisec, go wardec someone. If they stay and fight, you've got a great fight. If they don't stay and fight, don't come whining to the forums like a self-entitled griefer.

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Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-10-24 10:02:52 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
How is leaving a corporation "abusing, harassing or threatening another player or authorized representative of CCP"?


Avoiding wardecs by corp jumping is not against the EULA. Chasing people who corp-jump by continually warding that person through multiple corps can be construed as harassment (there are plenty of other fish in the pond, why are you picking on just that one?)

Jumping corps is an excellent way of farming hisec carebear tears though: "it's not fair that it costs me 50M ISK to declare war on this character every time they move to a new corporation! I want EVE to be easy for me! I paid my 50M ISK dammit, now I want some risk free PVP!"

If you were hired to chase that person, does the merc or the person that hired get banned?
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-10-24 16:42:48 UTC
Dude, I'd have been banned 10x over.

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