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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Anslo
Scope Works
#81 - 2014-10-23 16:39:32 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Also people make EVE great. It's it dirty that make EVE great.

Without Kane, Monk, the Guiding Hand Society, EVE wouldn't be EVE.

*Guiding Hand Social Club

And GHSC were gentlemen and scholars. Kids these days are just thugs.

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I find it funny that become are Toxic to people who Wardec, and suspect game, before they even actually know the person. They just assume that I am out to grief because I'm a wardeccer. If I'm playing the game as intended then there should be no reason for the hate, but there is, and it's because people seem to confuse Wardeccing and the such, as griefing, which it's not.

My issue isn't the wardec this or station games that (ok I hate station games but for a totall different reason ( **** you Thanny pilot in Syndi we hot dropped on YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)). It's the attitude. The game mechanics are the game mechanics. Working as intended etc. My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.

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I'm actually a fairly nice person, right up until someone decides for me that I'm a psychopath.

8/10 would bang tbh

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Is that why you have a link in your sig to a blog where you advocate deliberate abuse of the petition system to try to ban people you don't like?

Yeah, the game totally needs more of you. Roll


:effort:

Get mad. Stay mad.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#82 - 2014-10-23 16:40:16 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
And I'm proud to encourage adjustments in what I consider to be a positive direction.


You for got the words "for me" at the end of that sentence.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#83 - 2014-10-23 16:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Renegade Heart wrote:
What is really wrong with EvE, is people like the OP, who make silly mistakes, then rather than learn from it and move on, come to the forums to cry about how their gaming fun was ruined, and how the game should be changed to make it easier for them.


I can't like this enough. + 1000

People do it all the time here and in real life: They make a stupid mistake, but admitting it was stupid would hurt their ego, so they externalize the fault to save themselves that pain.

Ironically, they end up causing themselves MORE pain in the long run because instead of learning to think and avoid the mistake, they make the mistake again and again (you don't have to change your own behavior when it's "always someone else's fault").

Taking responsibility for your actions and choices (even in a game) isn't noble, its wise, because it leads you to modify your own behavior to prevent the bad things from even happening in the 1st place. These people who run from responsibility never seem to learn that, not even when they get repeatedly ganked in a video game or repeatedly arrested in real life lol.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#84 - 2014-10-23 16:49:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
And I'm proud to encourage adjustments in what I consider to be a positive direction.


You for got the words "for me" at the end of that sentence.


Not sure what you are trying to say. I'm already doing quite well and am essentially gank proof. I express sympathy for the newer and more casual players who are getting ganked out of the game, and advocate steps to prevent that kind of nonsense in highsec.
somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#85 - 2014-10-23 16:50:33 UTC
People get to be their true selves in an online game. They get to unleash all their anger, racism, hate, fear, doubt, sexism, and more onto an entire population of other people. It gives them the ability to let out what they feel in a safe environment, which btw I might add is far more constructive then them doing so in the real world. It is therefore perhaps a great service to society that games like this provide some sort of therapy. I do understand that you lost your ship and that it sucks that it happened, but I'd only argue that it was for the good of society that you played your part.

Welcome to the human race.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#86 - 2014-10-23 16:51:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


This is a classic trait of the high sec crowd: believing EVE is some balkanized 'thing' instead of what it is; a singular whole. The rules apply everywhere, the ONLY difference is the consequences in high sec.

CONCORD does not wipe out criminals, criminals fly everyday in high sec in full view of CONCORD. The system provides a consequence for certain actions, but that's all. Guns don't magically stop working just because one is in high sec.


Another confused argument. Try to grasp that all of the game mechanics are arbitrarily determined by CCP, and can, and often are, changed on a whim. To advocate for changes that I view as positive for the game is nothing short of laudable.
UnknownEnemyCombatant
#87 - 2014-10-23 16:53:30 UTC
as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#88 - 2014-10-23 16:53:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


This is a classic trait of the high sec crowd: believing EVE is some balkanized 'thing' instead of what it is; a singular whole. The rules apply everywhere, the ONLY difference is the consequences in high sec.

CONCORD does not wipe out criminals, criminals fly everyday in high sec in full view of CONCORD. The system provides a consequence for certain actions, but that's all. Guns don't magically stop working just because one is in high sec.


Another confused argument. Try to grasp that all of the game mechanics are arbitrarily determined by CCP, and can, and often are, changed on a whim. To advocate for changes that I view as positive for the game is nothing short of laudable.


And yet, no one is "lauding" you lol. As I used to tell Dinsdale, so applies to you: The more you post the more people turn against what you want.

Therefore, post more, it makes for a better game in the long run Twisted
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#89 - 2014-10-23 16:54:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
To advocate for changes that I view as positive for the game is nothing short of laudable.
You misspelt laughable.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#90 - 2014-10-23 16:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I keep hoping that people start to notice just one thing.


That thing is, if you can be an ass-hat and get away with it, without any consequences at all, people will do that.

Now there's a lot of "HURF BLURF Don't confuse RL with a game!!" I would tend to agree with that except for ...

well when people hide in voting booths and rob and murder people with the anonymity of a ballot, we are in effect seeing a bridge between the "you can be a douche if you can get away with it" and "RL".

For that I also hope Eve is some huge experiment to answer that question, and if ANY person is ready to go full douche when they can get away with it, then I hope that translates into new RL policies that deny any one person the ability to anonymously and without consequences use any state institutions as a vehicle to "get away with it". Nobody should be voting to send someone else's kids to a meat grinder or for the state to steal more money from their neighbor without any real consequences to themselves, their own fortunes, and their own safety.

Imagine if we had to use our real names in all MMOs....
Imagine if every vote we cast for every tax, war, and new restrictive law that turns people into criminals at the stroke of a pen could be looked up and known to everybody else.

think about it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#91 - 2014-10-23 16:56:52 UTC
UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:
as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community.




WITNESS NOW, all ye who think the OP has a point. The above poster (who can't figure out how to play a game that most of us learned how to play years ago when it was much harsher and didn't give you so much free stuff in the tutorials) is what you what MORE of in this game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#92 - 2014-10-23 16:57:38 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Imagine if we had to use our real names in all MMOs....


There'd be a lot of death threatening carebears on one of those lists that is hard to get yourself removed from.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#93 - 2014-10-23 16:58:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

And yet, no one is "lauding" you lol. As I used to tell Dinsdale, so applies to you: The more you post the more people turn against what you want.

Therefore, post more, it makes for a better game in the long run Twisted


Sure the typical suicide ganking griefers that roam the forums aren't lauding me - I'll survive. Thankfully the real heroes of Eve, the people I meet every day in highsec - the hard working mission runners, the capable incursion runners, the manufacturers, the traders, even the diligent miners, and all the other PvE folks, express support for my positions, and would like to see a more orderly and humane highsec....where suicide ganking is rare, and punishments for it server. Those are the people I care about, not the suicide ganking nullsecers.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#94 - 2014-10-23 17:00:24 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:
as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community.




WITNESS NOW, all ye who think the OP has a point. The above poster (who can't figure out how to play a game that most of us learned how to play years ago when it was much harsher and didn't give you so much free stuff in the tutorials) is what you what MORE of in this game.
What he failed to mention was that he was in lowsec, in a completely untanked faction frigate.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-10-23 17:06:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

And yet, no one is "lauding" you lol. As I used to tell Dinsdale, so applies to you: The more you post the more people turn against what you want.

Therefore, post more, it makes for a better game in the long run Twisted


Sure the typical suicide ganking griefers that roam the forums aren't lauding me - I'll survive. Thankfully the real heroes of Eve, the people I meet every day in highsec - the hard working mission runners, the capable incursion runners, the manufacturers, the traders, even the diligent miners, and all the other PvE folks, express support for my positions, and would like to see a more orderly and humane highsec....where suicide ganking is rare, and punishments for it server. Those are the people I care about, not the suicide ganking nullsecers.


There are plenty of suicide gankers that live in high sec. If you think they are "suicide ganking nullsecers" on holiday, then you are deluded. Thankfully, CCP has stated that they believe suicide ganking to be an integral part of the game, here to stay, forever P
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#96 - 2014-10-23 17:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sure the typical suicide ganking griefers that roam the forums aren't lauding me - I'll survive. Thankfully the real heroes of Eve, the people I meet every day in highsec - the hard working mission runners, the capable incursion runners, the manufacturers, the traders, even the diligent miners, and all the other PvE folks, express support for my positions
I'm in the group of players that you say support your position, and I've yet to see anything from you that's worth getting behind, most of it is namby pamby, wishy washy, hand holding crap spouted by a fool with little or no knowledge of what he's talking about.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." is as true now as it was when it was originally posted by Abrazzar, especially as the majority of the groups that you claim to have the support of rarely post on the forums.

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and would like to see a more orderly and humane highsec....where suicide ganking is rare, and punishments for it server. Those are the people I care about, not the suicide ganking nullsecers.
You care for nothing except your ego.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#97 - 2014-10-23 17:37:27 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
The thing for me is that the way Eve itself is shaped as a game goes against the fundamental moralities we have as a society and in a sense goes against our own humanity itself. And because of that it creates something that works against the ideals we have been brought up with. Its this conflict of natures that turns off so many people to Eve imo, as not everyone can handle having their entire way of being thrown around and turned upside down. The few that can; stay, and the even fewer thrive in that sort of a system.

To me its this disconnect with the world around us that has been the reason that Eves numbers stay so low. As the darkness thats within the human soul is evident in everyday life, media tells us daily of the atrocities committed world wide. We shudder and think how horrible it is even if it hasnt happened directly to us but more importantly we believe that the unjust, evil people will be punished. In Eve there is none of that punishment or justice happening. The game itself is built to allow freely what societies worldwide try to remove from within its ranks.

That is imo what makes Eve what it is and what makes it so unique in the gaming world.


Close and connects to my earlier post - there are no (completely insufficient) consequences in EVE. Players play EVE as they would conduct RL, if RL had the same 'sandbox' as EVE.

What's particularly wrong with EVE - especially now - is that the Predator v Prey ratio is so skewed. Make EVE a bit more of a simulation and less gamey and more people may wish to play and believe they have a chance - taking the risk because indeed EVE <> RL.

More actual players means more potential prey to support the predator population.

Goodness, we have to eventually leave this little planet of ours - a space-based game that actually encouraged that interest, in the most realistic way possible, would help the entire human race!Big smile -> EVE2.......

EVE would then be the most comprehensive Beta Test ever run. I wonder how many new players would actually be interested if EVE were actually to restart?



I would not want a restart.
Some problems I think can be alleviated if a player changes his perspective.
For Example:
EvE is Sins of the Solar Empire except for a few things......
All those ships, buildings, fighters, minerals, cash.....
In Eve they are the ships, POS, outposts, minerals/rocks, modules, guns, cash, etc etc owned by some player.
Think of EvE in these terms....and you find.......

EvE is a wargame, where do you fit in? Do you have the social skills to create an effective Faction (Corp/alliance) that can vie with others in your race to be on top? If you do....do those under your leadership perform to be something greater than their individual selves?
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#98 - 2014-10-23 17:52:16 UTC
UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:
as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community.


In case your still around....get a cheap ship...go missioning....go mining....read up on those tactics for stealing loot from CODE. ganking freighters....sell that **** and your golden.

Sheesh some give up to easily...and usually because they try to play out of their league....learn to crawl before you try to walk, learn to walk before you run.
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
#99 - 2014-10-23 17:54:07 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:
as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community.


In case your still around....get a cheap ship...go missioning....go mining....read up on those tactics for stealing loot from CODE. ganking freighters....sell that **** and your golden.

Sheesh some give up to easily...and usually because they try to play out of their league....learn to crawl before you try to walk, learn to walk before you run.


Yes.... try mining first Big smile

Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#100 - 2014-10-23 17:54:16 UTC
Tempted to start asking people I gank if they wanna join my corp and become gankers, and offer them free ships to gank in Smile