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Tengu/Tornado: two sides of the same gank coin
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#1 - 2011-12-13 13:49:31 UTC
Ahoy



I am fairly sure that a Tornado sitting outside a busy mission station with an eye to take down juicy Tengus would be equipped with 1400s, gyros and maybe a TE or two. Is that about right? Pop goes the ugly Caldari bird, and out drop the shinies.

However, what I am less sure of is what (if) Tengu setup could be used to protect against this sort of gank (assuming a lone Tornado pilot), without totally gimping it's PVE ability. The best I could do (in my own head, not using EFT as my moustache forbids it) was a setup with two Invuln IIs and an LSEs - I get about 20k EHP. Is that enough to resist a Tornado gank?

C&P - assist!


TL;DR - looking for a gank resistant Tengu setup for under the guise of being cool and piratey

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Barakkus
#2 - 2011-12-13 13:57:06 UTC
Doesn't matter, just bring more Tomatoes.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#3 - 2011-12-13 13:59:50 UTC
C+Pirate hotline for you :

20k EHp is more than a tornado alpha.
But think of :
1) you can instalock with a tornado, so you must be fast to turn on the invus
2) almost all gankers will scan their prey before, and nobody with a brain will try to solo-gank a tengu with a LSE. They will just bring a friend or wait 10mn for the next tengu to undock.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#4 - 2011-12-13 14:05:58 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
C+Pirate hotline for you :

20k EHp is more than a tornado alpha.
But think of :
1) you can instalock with a tornado, so you must be fast to turn on the invus
2) almost all gankers will scan their prey before, and nobody with a brain will try to solo-gank a tengu with a LSE. They will just bring a friend or wait 10mn for the next tengu to undock.



Thank you both for your See and Pee insights!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-13 14:51:05 UTC
Could always setup/share a POS in system, drop tengu in POS, pick up new mission in a rifter, switch back at pos..

Can also be done with an Orca I believe..
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#6 - 2011-12-13 15:18:26 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Could always setup/share a POS in system, drop tengu in POS, pick up new mission in a rifter, switch back at pos..

Can also be done with an Orca I believe..





Now, I quite like that 'mobile solution'. Good stuff, thanks!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-13 15:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Keep in mind, that if they are willing to gank you on station, they may be willing to probe you out and do it in a mission (depending on sec status of system, this could mean an extra volley).

So if you see a flight of high alpha ships with sebo's running on the undock, go to another mission hub and keep your shinies.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-13 16:14:28 UTC
if you're flying a ship worth a bil or more, please take 10 minutes of your time and set up instawarps at the stations you use.
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-13 16:20:46 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
if you're flying a ship worth a bil or more, please take 10 minutes of your time and set up instawarps at the stations you use.


Helps until you have a mission in the next system. Gate gank!
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#10 - 2011-12-13 16:52:03 UTC
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2011-12-13 17:32:43 UTC
jimmyjam wrote:
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.




Hi peggy what are you wearing?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Officer Nyota Uhura
#12 - 2011-12-13 17:50:14 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
jimmyjam wrote:
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.
Hi peggy what are you wearing?

High heels and lingerie... What are you wearing, darling?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#13 - 2011-12-13 17:54:38 UTC
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
jimmyjam wrote:
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.
Hi peggy what are you wearing?

High heels and lingerie... What are you wearing, darling?



My moustache and it's net :)


/me reaches for the pot of moustache wax

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Officer Nyota Uhura
#14 - 2011-12-13 17:59:57 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
jimmyjam wrote:
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.
Hi peggy what are you wearing?
High heels and lingerie... What are you wearing, darling?
/me reaches for the pot of moustache wax

Mmm.... do you want to spread that mustache wax on me?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2011-12-13 18:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
jimmyjam wrote:
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.
Hi peggy what are you wearing?
High heels and lingerie... What are you wearing, darling?
/me reaches for the pot of moustache wax

Mmm.... do you want to spread that mustache wax on me?




I would...but I got a bit excited and spread it all over myself Oops

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#16 - 2011-12-13 18:42:51 UTC
[Tengu, Cheap]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Amplifier
Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


This does L4s without breaking a sweat, costs far less than many Tengus, and has 35k EHP and 600 DPS. Change amps for mission resists or just run it omni-tank. Turn on the DC and invuln as your first actions after leaving station if you want to be safer, or use insta undock BMs as suggested previously.

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jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#17 - 2011-12-13 18:47:07 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
jimmyjam wrote:
C+Pirate hotline this is peggy how may i help you.




Hi peggy what are you wearing?

Something sexy
Lord Drokoth
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#18 - 2011-12-13 20:54:40 UTC
Thundercat tengu.. problem solved.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#19 - 2011-12-13 23:52:04 UTC
you do know that they can't lock you for 20 secs after u undock provided you dint do anything silly right?

So easy way is to set up insta undock for your hub and few bookmarks around the gates and you'll be good.

The best solution if you ask me is to use as little faction as needed. No one will bank your tengu for the 3 CN bcs and the pith b type SSB u have on it.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-13 23:56:14 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:
you do know that they can't lock you for 20 secs after u undock provided you dint do anything silly right?

So easy way is to set up insta undock for your hub and few bookmarks around the gates and you'll be good.

The best solution if you ask me is to use as little faction as needed. No one will bank your tengu for the 3 CN bcs and the pith b type SSB u have on it.


Arty Apoc only costs 80M or so.. If I could net 81M from the tengu, then I would shoot at it.

Hanging around for 20 seconds just gives me time to pre-overheat guns (for the 2nd volley, if you didn't pop from the first, in .6 or below), and spam the lock target button... Its not like I need a second volley. As a previous member of the 0rphanage that was the attitude I hoped for.. and many tengu's got roasted because of that very idea of 'safety'.
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