Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The game is not unfair, we love it. However, this thread is about a botting program, not whether you feel mistreated in EVE or not.

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Problem is isboxing makes multicleint idiot proof.


Most have no problem with traditional multiclient. If they can handle alt tab multiclient well...good on them. I am mostly good up to say 2 running pve in funky combos (glass cannon + logi, meatshield rattler and torp spec bombers done in past as well). Key word is mostly. When I am not on my game...dual box can get ugly. We aren't not liking multiclient....we want some (shrug) effort put into it is all.


this problem leads to other problems. Its now affecting other game mechanics. Bombers now getting decloak back is based on isboxing abuse in many peoples opinions. Some like to isbox this....a bit too much. this would be why decloak is coming back. People are is boxing bomber gank squads. Traditional multiclient this is a pita. If old boy could coordinate 5 torp spec bomber with the APM (actions per minute) to hop across 5 clients and be as effective.....my hats off to them. Isboxer made this too easy however.

If isboxing was kept to pve I and other could give a rats ass tbh. It bleeding into pvp however and because of isboxing we can't have nice things. Which is kind of messed up as ccp seems to be treating the symptoms of the disease...but not curing the disease itself.

I do not think it needs to be banned. But a limit must be put upon. Somethign like max 4-5 accounts. Still helps mining and some activities, but do not allow you do do absolutely everything alone.

Other day we say a high sec PVP fleet of 17 Golems.... that is beyond stupid and bad for the game community.

Certainly unusual, by the sound of it.

Bad for the game?

If they were 17 different players, it would be beyond reproach.
We would be praising them.

What if it were 9 players, though, with 8 of them dual boxing a second client?
Many, if not most, would still be good with this, too.

Where exactly is this line drawn, then?

I think it appears where we perceive the lack of ability to duplicate to normal players.
If everyone could control 17 accounts, and do so effectively enough to duplicate the above situation, WE would NOT care about this at all.

CCP might even offer them a multi-account discount, for all I know.

That is why I expect CCP to make this something everyone can do, rather than punish those who make extra effort, buy additional software, or a combination of the two.

That is comparing two radically different items, and I think you are perfectly aware of this.

This multi-boxing tool lacks the ability to REACT.
That is the key element. It is blind, effectively, and relies on a player to direct it.

Botters have used tools removing the need for direction, as the tools can react on a players behalf.

Please try to avoid such comparisons, they only throw up confusion for some.

AI or acting on its own is not a key feature of a bot/automation.
A character which is replicating real player's actions on its own is kind of a bot too (via 3rd party key/mouse input broadcast software for example). Lets not dive into that.

I would rather see 17 ISBoxed Golems than no Golems or only one or two. Ditto with stealth bomb fleets.

Look, we all know that coordinating with people is THE joy and THE challenge of EVE (or any MMO for that matter).

To experience the game to its fullest (especially in EVE where the scale is massive), *you have to work with other people*.
But to really work well with other people on that level--on the scale that EVE is designed for--requires time commitments that can be very difficult to support in the face of real life commitments.

I mean, right? That's the struggle we all face.
How to find the blocks of time required to both keep the ISK flowing in and coordinate kick-ass fleet ops . . .
How to find enough likeable people that can reliably do the same . . .

In an ideal world, New Eden would be teaming with interesting, varied fleets with a 1-1 relationship between players and ships. But that's just not realistic.

For my part, I would rather have ISBox fleets filling New Eden space than not have them. More content is better than less content, even if the content is admittedly less than ideal.

I see it as just another challenge that makes the New Eden sandbox unpredictable and challenging.
I'll never be a big player in EVE. But I enjoy the fact that even being a small player involves challenges that simply don't exist in other games.

Not to mention the fact that if all this space technology were real, the kind of coordination among fleet members that ISBox enables would be completely possible--even normal. So even from an RP point of view I don't mind it.

Or the fact that those ISBoxer subs pay the same developers that I need to keep the goodness flowing for me as well.

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for my part, I would rather unsub than play a game full of isbotters. Like everyone else I guess who is not isbotting, because at some point it would become mandatory in order to keep up with the rest.

And now for this week's edition of "Let's Whine About ISBoxer!"

A few things I get to say, yet again.

1) There is a hardware method of replicating the main features of any command multicasting software, thus the reason multicasting software is permitted by CCP. I'm not refering to the sticks and tape method. Go google "usb multicaster" and find it yourself, I'm not posting the link again.

2) If CCP were to ban all command multicasters, they would have to ban using the MacOS, because the ability to multicast commands is native in MacOS. I'd guess that alienating Mac users would take a good chunk out of the budget, since CCP still makes a Mac client.

3) Looking at the thread, I see all the usual anti-ISBoxer people posting. Guess what, one average ISBoxer has more subs than all of you combined, therefore represents a larger chunk of the subscription base. Want to guess who CCP is more likely to listen to?

4) Also, I see the usual solution of "limit the number of clients allowed per machine" in the thread. To those people I say, whenever you come up with a way to limit the number of clients I can run at a time, I can come up with half a dozen ways to bypass that restriction.

Seriously, people, stop the pathetic whining. If the bad ISBoxers are taking all your highsec ice, grow a pair and go do something about it. Ask CODE. how to make a smartbomb megathron, grab half a dozen buddies, and go nuke an ISBoxer fleet. Regardless of the examples OP gave, I know it's just another highsec carebear whining about someone taking his ice, because those are the only ones who ever complain about ISBoxer. Hiding behind a PL alt doesn't matter. Simply put, no one else cares.