Player Features and Ideas Discussion

TLDR

How about you post your basic idea here, instead of expecting people to go read 10 pages of text on your personal blog.

The actual idea isn't really that long. The prologue and long winded, partly unnecessary explanations make the post appear too long. And what about condensing the idea into a proper abstract, like we are always required to do in scientific texts and the likes?

I think the suggestion indeed has a lot of merit, regardless of the presentation. I already pursue a rather active targeting in fleets and lock things that are not called by the FC, but which appear to me to be a good thing to shoot at rounds or iron or plasma at some point. It would also make the individual squads of a fleet more independent from the fleet while still pursuing the fleet's objective. In other words: every squad has sort of its own FC and the main FC gives out commands like "Squad A-M shoots Logistics with respective names, Squad N-Z shoots their respective logis" or "Squad 1 shoots the sabres, Squads 2-3 go for the BS" and so on. It would certainly require a lot more oversight from the individual members of the fleet, more overview tab juggling and a more active participation in identifying targets. What this also does is putting a fair bit more pressure on the Logistics pilots of fleets, who now have a lot of friendlies to repair or to watch over, which in itself poses a "nerf" to logistics without the slightest change to the Logistics ships themselves.

Took the time to read it and is hardly written well in a way that just gets the point out. With constant tangents and a rambling introduction.



The idea itself I'm not to fond of I started to wonder how many of this type of fight you have been in given you think plates add to your sig and this idea you seem to be putting off that is one fc just calling names with little thought. If you want fights like these with smaller teams with different fcs head to wh space where the need for sub caps pushes at least two fcs when caps are involvedand even more when fights cross both sides of the hole.


I don't think you idea would change much people would just find the max number for locking and firm squads of buffer fit ships with logi as well as lock their own ships to make it harder for the enemy.

So the more enemy ships shoot you, the harder it is for your own logi to lock you? Or fleet pre-locking their own sensitive ships (FC/logi/ewar) to hinder enemy shooting them?

For those faced with the linked wall of text, this is the concept too extensive for a summary:

Current Lock Time = 40000 / X * (ArcSinh y)^2

Proposed Lock Time = 40000 / X * ArchSinh (y/n)^2

x = scan resolution
y = signature radius
n = number of ships locked and or targeting

That was an excessively verbose post. You could probably cut around 2/3rds of the wordcount without losing any actual content.



I believe that's rather the point. If that same fleet split their fire between 5 primaries, it would be around 43 seconds to lock. If split between 25 primaries (each squad calling its own primary), 11 seconds. Whether or not it will actually be effective in encouraging squad-level tactics is another matter, but objecting to it on the grounds that calling a single primary for the whole fleet is not viable is missing the point.

Reposting comment from blog:

Interesting idea and nice post. I like your approach from the perspective of storytelling!

Have you thought about how changing n would be handled? Not all ships will target at the same instant, so you constantly have to update the lock time and somehow account for the time your ship is already trying to get a lock. The implementation of the exact mechanic for that might be as important as the overall formula.

How did you do the nice interactive graphs?

I don't disagree that this proposal would have the intended effect. Only that the more far-reaching effects would be disastrous to Eve.

Another side effect of this change would be to force fleets into non-targeting doctrines. Pipe-bombing and stealth bombing runs would become much more common, the former more so than the latter.

Also, good luck ever killing capital ships with subcaps again.

*Daoden needs armor*

1 sec man still targeting

*the object you were targeting is no longer there*

logi pilots will HATE this and their fleet will hate them