EVE General Discussion

I wanted to share quickly what I see as wrong with EVE, and what is so amazingly right, at the same time.

Over the last month, the price of the Garmur has dropped drastically. This is awesome as I've been waiting to get one!

So last night I got a Garmur. Looked up fits and made one I liked. I took it out for a spin and the second I undocked from jita every single person wanted a duel. I was finally hailed to convo by a 9 year old character asking if I wanted to duel.

"Sure I said, but only to hull, as I just bought this and I haven't had a proper fight in it yet."

They agreed, more than once, and I was very very clear. But were busy, and kept putting off he fight, so I logged for the night.

Tonight I jump on, and a few minutes later I'm hailed again by this 9 yr old character. They ask if I would like to duel to hull, and I say sure!

We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.

Now you may say to yourself, "well, duh! Next time don't trust anyone in EVE!"

but honestly that's what he said, so don't be an idiot.

Let's be clear. Losing an 80 mil ISK ship isn't going to bankrupt me or ruin my experience in EVE.

I can see it ruining someone else's experience though, and that's what I want to express. This person had nothing to gain, not even a killmail from killing my Garmur. Doing this kind of thing, is what makes people leave this game. And maybe that's what someone like him wants.

If it had been a fair fight and he had kept going past hull, I wouldn't have minded all that much, but there was no honor, and no sportsmanship at all. In the end, I really just ended up feeling sorry for this guy as a human being.

I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x.

Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap, (I have been treated like crap plenty more times than this in EVE) and for no reason, and leave, can you blame them? And can you see any future in a game like that? Any real value?

I know myself, that I rarely see any new characters anymore. Everyone I see is almost 10 years old. And this is why. If a 9 year old character has nothing better to do, that troll new characters, and under the sad guise of 'don't trust anyone in EVE' then I'm really not sure that I can see a long term investment in this game is something I want to consider.

*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence. ISD Ezwal.

Whatever, I'll buy another ship, but how much longer can a game like this really last? I've talked with ppl on TS about this, and they are just as worried about the serious lack of new blood in EVE.

They do it because they can, they have no interest in a 'fair' fight or killmails, only to cause grievance to you & other targets. I don't like it either, but that's the reality of any multiplayer game that offers open PvP.

If you want a 'fair' duel, or just one to test out fits, stick with corpmates / alliancemembers & friends to test stuff like that out. Don't rely on total strangers to keep their word, that'll get you killed/scammed, just like in reality (but in EvE it's just pixels)

On new players, you rarely see them, because alot of new players suffer information overload, they're often found in CCP official channels like Help channel & the CCP faction channels. They'll rarely initialize chat in their early lives because they're still getting accustomed to the game. This is not only bad for them (they know little what's going on in Eve player-wise, making them easy targets for scams/ganks & duelkills) but also for us, because we're unable to help them in the period of their eve player life they need our guidance the most.

I can confirm there's still new players joining (Dust linking actually saw alot of new eve players, because quite some players were genuinely interested in that space game connected to their shooter)
Remember: Be nice to new players, they're your future friends, corpmates, targets. Drive them away, and you'll have less buddies to fly with or targets to shoot in the future.

Thanks for proving the point.

That's a lame thing to do.

But you know the drill m8; Welcome to EVE

"play" with corpies, kill the rest.

Welcome to Eve Online, we have this thing called "rules". If you can play within them, then you're doing it correctly. If you can't, you will most likely get repulsed away from the game.

Thats true for every game out there... whats your point?

I think what is meant is that actions like this are against any feeling of human dignity... its got nothing to do with playing a game or even PvP...

Thats why people get upset about it..... or at least thats how i see it.

IB4 Log Snip.



And hey, OP....

That's life.

vOv

And here I thought that nobody was fool enough to fall for that trick anymore.

You accepted a 1vs1 from some random in Jita... that was only ever going to end well.

In all seriousness, this game is like any other out there; you have the good the bad. In a game like LOTRO (don't shoot me) the people who you could manage a polite conversation/trust with stuff vastly outweighed those who you couldn't (at least that was the case a few months ago), EvE on the other hand is much more balanced out, because the rules are much more flexible in terms of thing's that would be considered completely un-acceptable in other games... scamming comes to mind here.

That's the thing to bare in mind; when I downloaded EvE to try out early this year, I knew full well what kind of reputation this game had, and I prepared accordingly. Duelling a person you've only just met, in the system where scams are being thrown at a million miles an hour, is (and I hate to be critical)... a bit naive.

The worst part about it, is that almost all of these players (if they do any digging into a game they will be investing a lot of time in, especially an MMO) know of the Machiavellian nature that permeates literally all levels of EVE.

And I mean all levels, all the way down to the newbie miners being robbed by their HS CEO's through sham ore buybacks and tax gouging in an exclusively PvE motivated corp.

It surprises me that after 10 years of existence as a game that promotes cutthroat activities, people still can find reasons to complain about the nature of it.

Even the very idea of a "hub duel" is going to end badly, about 90% of the time, either with station games, a ransom, or a shiny km.

*sigh*