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whats the appeal of ganking miners?
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Crimson Nirnroots
Compliant Munitions
#141 - 2014-10-22 23:19:40 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The people who're displaying sociopathic tendencies are the ones who make real life threats over the loss of their internet spaceship pixels. Threatening to hunt someone down in real life, kill, disfigure, sexually assault or otherwise wishing real life misfortune upon their mothers, spouses, children or pets because your internet spaceship got blown up is not normal behaviour, it's downright abhorrent and is totally unacceptable.


This right here.

I like the PvE, and mining is where I began in the not to distant past. I learned some very valuable lessons in my first few months in New Eden about being ganked and Awoxxers.

Although I was originally upset when these situations happened, I don't think this behaviour is anywhere near the realm of acceptable. I don't believe I have spoken to another player like that, and certainly never will.

As so far as ganking, it's not my cup of tea. I have given it a try, through some CODE pilots that were gracious enough to let me ride along as it were. I learned much about the culture of ganks and the players who perform them. All of them were polite and respectful, and each were very disciplined in the operation. We (they- I failed miserably) took down a Charon. It was thrilling. I can see where the appeal is for organized ganks. I tip my hat to pilots that can put it all together so successfully.

To each their own, the best part of the Sandbox MMO.

Antimatter, now with more Nirnroots.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#142 - 2014-10-22 23:30:41 UTC
Hell, I wouldn't even dignify them as sociopaths. I AM a sociopath, and I don't spew death threats when my pixels explode.

It's not some pathological behavior alteration, it's just self absorption and childishness.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#143 - 2014-10-22 23:39:03 UTC
Krysti wrote:
Quote:


The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.

And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)

And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.


Right, so mining in hi-sec is the lions den in the zoo?

I don't think you have a clue about this game.



Honestly its you that doesnt have a clue about EVE.
Really its dog eat dog universe.
Like me for example....if your mining afk, botting, active....and I am mining or someone that im affiliated with is mining and your literally competeting with lasers on the same exact rocks......well
I am gonna take you out....I have enough alts myself to easily gank a single miner by myself.
and its basically just this......business is business and we are in the business of doing business....dont like it....find a different game because your kind are getting in my way. Enough QQ when you went AFK.....thats your fault.
Nevil Oscillator
#144 - 2014-10-23 00:06:56 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:


Honestly its you that doesnt have a clue about EVE.
Really its dog eat dog universe.
Like me for example....if your mining afk, botting, active....and I am mining or someone that im affiliated with is mining and your literally competeting with lasers on the same exact rocks......well
I am gonna take you out....I have enough alts myself to easily gank a single miner by myself.
and its basically just this......business is business and we are in the business of doing business....dont like it....find a different game because your kind are getting in my way. Enough QQ when you went AFK.....thats your fault.



It would probably happen more often if it was worth the effort.
Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#145 - 2014-10-23 00:36:21 UTC
People have a natural inclination to fear/dislike things that are different than they are. People who do it simply for laughs gravitate towards the sociopath area of that spectrum.[/quote wrote:
The people who're displaying sociopathic tendencies are the ones who make real life threats over the loss of their internet spaceship pixels. Threatening to hunt someone down in real life, kill, disfigure, sexually assault or otherwise wishing real life misfortune upon their mothers, spouses, children or pets because your internet spaceship got blown up is not normal behaviour, it's downright abhorrent and is totally unacceptable.


There is a difference between your EVE character having sociopathic tendencies (ie gankers) and you, being the person at the keyboard, having those tendencies (the ragers). Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with how people want to "play" EVE Online. Ganking is part of it as it is with most games. Some people may do it for the economics some may do it because that is what they enjoy.

Most people can tell the difference between real life and a game. People, like the ragers, start to blur that line - which, as has been said before, is unacceptable.
Nevil Oscillator
#146 - 2014-10-23 00:54:57 UTC
Jax Kazen wrote:


There is a difference between your EVE character having sociopathic tendencies (ie gankers) and you, being the person at the keyboard


Ha ha .. .You are touching on an ancient RP issue that has existed much longer than Eve.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#147 - 2014-10-23 01:02:54 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jax Kazen wrote:


There is a difference between your EVE character having sociopathic tendencies (ie gankers) and you, being the person at the keyboard


Ha ha .. .You are touching on an ancient RP issue that has existed much longer than Eve.

no he isnt
Rp=/=reality .

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#148 - 2014-10-23 01:07:32 UTC
Jax Kazen wrote:
It actually used to serve a purpose, kind of. Mining Barges / Exhumers don't explode from "natural" causes at the same rate that say combat ships do so producers of said mining ships would provide a bounty for destroyed mining ships as it would drive market activity and price. Now, however, I think that it's mostly just malice vs any economic benefit.

People have a natural inclination to fear/dislike things that are different than they are. People who do it simply for laughs gravitate towards the sociopath area of that spectrum.


The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more.
Lady Areola Fappington
#149 - 2014-10-23 01:07:38 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jax Kazen wrote:


There is a difference between your EVE character having sociopathic tendencies (ie gankers) and you, being the person at the keyboard


Ha ha .. .You are touching on an ancient RP issue that has existed much longer than Eve.



I don't think it's "RP" per se. Some of us see our Eve characters in the same way we see, for example, our Mass Effect character. Just a character in a video game that we control. Nobody would consider someone a sociopath for having an EvilShep ME save, or an Evil Dark Brotherhood Skyrim character.


Other side, some people are "themselves" in games like Eve. Rather than be a separate, unconnected character, it's all an extension of their actual psyche.

For me, Eve is just the ultimate expression of the "morality system" that's been getting built more and more into video games. Eve just gives me an infinite amount of gradients to play with, as opposed to the "babyface/heel" mechanic most artificial game morality systems use.

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Nevil Oscillator
#150 - 2014-10-23 01:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:


no he isnt
Rp=/=reality .


That equation was never proved.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#151 - 2014-10-23 01:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more.
Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin.

If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5% profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10% profit margin in the same time period who makes more money?

Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#152 - 2014-10-23 02:02:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more.
Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin.

If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5℅ profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10℅ profit margin in the same time period who makes more money?

Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us.


That would only work if you have a local monopoly. If you are ganking in Uedama, and the guys are buying new ships in Jita where you face massive cutthroat competition, your market share and profit margins mean you will never recoup the cost of the gank.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#153 - 2014-10-23 02:11:17 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more.
Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin.

If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5℅ profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10℅ profit margin in the same time period who makes more money?

Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us.


That would only work if you have a local monopoly. If you are ganking in Uedama, and the guys are buying new ships in Jita where you face massive cutthroat competition, your market share and profit margins mean you will never recoup the cost of the gank.


You don't need a local monopoly at all.

You just need to have your ear to the ground and an eye for profiting from the situation.

If, for example, I am part of a group ganking miners in Teonusude, I can put up Retrievers, survey modules and MLUs in that system at even a 15% markup compared to Rens, and people will very often buy it.

You would be surprised at how easily you can nickel and dime people for the sake of saving a few jumps.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#154 - 2014-10-23 03:04:57 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
1upnate wrote:
like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.

anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?

just curious

Actually I think it's more like mowing down pedestrians for the lols, except they then sperg allover local and the forums about it afterwards in hilarious torrents of tears and accusations of psychological disorders.




Wow another person that can't separate real life from Eve....


And another that has little reading comprehension.

GTA you can mow people down.... no real life needed.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#155 - 2014-10-23 03:52:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more.
Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin.

If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5℅ profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10℅ profit margin in the same time period who makes more money?

Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us.


That would only work if you have a local monopoly. If you are ganking in Uedama, and the guys are buying new ships in Jita where you face massive cutthroat competition, your market share and profit margins mean you will never recoup the cost of the gank.


You don't need a local monopoly at all.

You just need to have your ear to the ground and an eye for profiting from the situation.

If, for example, I am part of a group ganking miners in Teonusude, I can put up Retrievers, survey modules and MLUs in that system at even a 15% markup compared to Rens, and people will very often buy it.

You would be surprised at how easily you can nickel and dime people for the sake of saving a few jumps.

Too fatiguing to go all the way?

If they think it's hard, think about taking your carrier 40 jumps

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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#156 - 2014-10-23 04:24:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)



LOL Poo makes me laugh.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2014-10-23 04:55:47 UTC
I don't like people who aren't playing EVE to be clogging it up and dramatically skewing market prices and economics. Therefore I kill them.

That's the appeal. I don't kill just any miner, only the botters. I sit by a miner and bump it around, make my presence known. If it leaves and comes back and still doesn't know I'm there, it's a bot. Die, vile bot!

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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#158 - 2014-10-23 05:10:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You would be surprised at how easily you can nickel and dime people for the sake of saving a few jumps.



This is 100% true. I usually try to produce an item that is harder to get in my area. Nanobot acc are around 2 mil 3 jumps from me and 1 mill 11 jumps away. I can sell the hell out of them at 1.5 mil because it saves low sec pilots some time. My price and the 2 mil price are both high sec markets but I sell more volume more quickly by undercutting their price by a few 100 thousand and being one jump out of low. I my bpo are fully researched and the materials I use are just salvage I get from running the anom sites in my area when there aren't any good belts or exploration.

I have thought about ganking but I don't enjoy PVP and I don't consider ganking to be PVP, it's more like PVE and I am guaranteed to explode at the end. I still think about it from time to time to drive up prices but I usually play when I get home from a 12 hour day at work and don't feel like being psychopathic after a long day at work.

As to ganking, I was in the process of being bumped the other day but the guy decided to destroy my MTU, when they started shooting it I docked up and got in a PVP fit ship. When I showed up on grid they barely had time to warp off, I almost had them locked so I could get a point but they got away. To be honest it was fun. I wasn't AFK or botting or anything like that and I think by be aggressive it spiced up my night. There is nothing wrong with ganking, it is done to players for many different reasons but the only reason that really matters is that it is fun to the person doing it. Just like mining is sometimes fun to me, of course I like to occasionally mine in low just for a bit more fun.

Content is content no matter what side of the explosion you are on and if you don't like it then do something about it or just suck it up buttercup.

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Krysti
Doomheim
#159 - 2014-10-23 10:10:41 UTC
The essence of what I am saying in a couple of threads.

In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid
like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up.

No problem with blowing up ships but pods in hi-sec on disposable alts when you are not flagged and not
even doing anything?

No mate that is where i am calling out ccp on the game design, and the morons that do it.

I am no longer pve in this game, pure pvp only and yeah maybe i should have done this years ago.

I'll fund this myself without pve from now on.


The lovely CODE

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369214


This is unrelated but I was hinting at driving newbs out the game.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381122&find=unread


krysti out.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#160 - 2014-10-23 10:16:56 UTC
Krysti wrote:
The essence of what I am saying in a couple of threads.

In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid
like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up.

No problem with blowing up ships but pods in hi-sec on disposable alts when you are not flagged and not
even doing anything?


Eh, even the guys who sell implants gotta make a living. Pods make my killboard and their market spreadsheets more green. Win/win for everybody but the silly git who was afk.

But then, pretty much everything you do in EVE Online comes at someone else's expense anyway, whether you realize it or not. Might as well enjoy it.


"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.