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Trixi Audeles
Into the Dark
#1 - 2014-10-21 17:33:46 UTC

My main character (this is an alt for forum posting) has spent his whole time in eve (10 months) in high sec so I don't know much about low and null sec except for some PvP roams. I have friends who are part of a corporation that rent three systems from Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere and they want me to join them out there. I was wondering if someone can explain a few things about that.

1. I picture sov space like this to be filled with blue alliance ships patrolling and fighting back roams coming in, but it is hard for me to picture the sort of safety and stability that I am being told exists. I know in a high sec wardec you basically can be hunted down and killed with impunity and it is very hard to do any PvE content unless you are in a group using cheap ships you don't mind losing. So how does that work in sov space? It is one thing to basically be in PvP mode all the time, but how do you do any PvE when a couple of T3 cruisers can blow up your ratting BS or mining Oracle?

2. Almost all my skill points have gone into core skills and training to fly a Golem, which I will be able to do in 6 days. Do people fly battleships/marauders in sov space for ratting or do you just fly cheap cruisers you can replace day after day?

3. I heard that with the new jump mechanics in next patch that the big sovereignties won't be able to protect their space and it will be the end of renting systems. Should I wait until next month to see how that turns out?

4. I am used to selling loot and buying ships / modules in high sec very easily. How does that work logistically in sov space? Do you have to have everything shipped in and shipped out? Doesn't that additional cost make it difficult to make a profit, especially since you will be losing expensive ships much more frequently?

5. I read that sov space renters are called Nullbears and are enthusiastically hunted for fun and tears by, well, everyone. If the renters are not a strong PvP corp with a 24/7 presence then how "protected" do the landlords attempt to keep the space?

6. Does anyone know much about the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere? What is their reputation?

I am interested in this because I like these guys and I need more danger than *zero* to really enjoy this game. I think I would get more PvP out there for sure, but I also still want to mine, run anoms, etc. Because this alliance has been wardecced by marmite 100 % since Feb, jumping to a clone in high sec to run some missions in a marauder a couple of time a week won't be an option. So if I make this jump it will be pretty much one way.

Thank in advance for your helpful replies.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#2 - 2014-10-21 17:54:37 UTC
First, it sounds to me like at least trying it would help you to understand how a lot of others see the game, especially about the high sec vs low/null forum wars :)

1. Typically, you PVE in Null in ships that can get out of dodge if a red comes around. You PVE aligned to safe POS's etc and when you see a red or neut in local you "safe up". Variations exist where you re ship to a PvP ship and your buddies set up a trap for the interloper(s). In null, folk tend to fight back at least occasionally Lol its generally expected that the individual engaged in PVE will use dscan and the local Intel chats to avoid any pants around ankles engagements.

2. See above. Some folk do the risk reward of losing the occasional marauder and others hate the idea of being stuck for a minute. Choice is yours.

3. Meh, hard to say how that exactly shakes out. Just follow the standard advice of leaving a PVE ship back in hig sec so even if you get into trouble in Null, you don't have to start from nothing back in empire.

4. Depends on your group. Some are as easy as shopping the local market, others put in orders for jump freightor runs, still others scout everything in. As a general rule, you make more in Null so you can afford pricier losses.

5. See 1.

6. It's the umbrella rental alliance for one of the big coalitions. Reputation for all rental groups are pretty much meaningless since it's where every rentals group ends up, some fight, some run and some bleed all over the place. Can't judge the whole beyond they aren't strong enough to take and maintain their own SOV.

Final piece. Nothing in game is ever one way :)
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#3 - 2014-10-21 18:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
First off most of null is empty space. Second off, usually you are surrounded by nominal blues and you have to travel some considerable distance to find the possibility of pvp. Third, decent alliances have intel channels which you can monitor. What this all means in practice is that if you are paying attention, you should be able to see neuts coming and get safe even before they hit your system. In fact, many folk consider null much safer then empire. As for types of ships people use for pve - there is always a flavor of the month; but people can and do use bling ships. Hell there are even folk who rat in carriers (not that they should, just that they do). Just talk to your alliance mates and see what they use.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#4 - 2014-10-21 19:37:06 UTC
Okay first of all renters affiliation could described as between a pimp and his hoes as long as your hoes bring in the moolah you don't get pimp slapped if the dough ain't comming you are going to get slapped or worse if you're find out to be holding dough or even worse ratling your gums to some cop about your pimp.

You get defended as long as the pimp needs to get his money but your pimp always get another hoe should you get busted or run off, pimp however no likes his hoe running off ay, remember that.

and the rest of EVE treats you as a target dummy have fun being a renter.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-10-21 19:37:17 UTC
the advice above sounds about right. one point worth repeating: do not assume that there is a player-run space police protecting you from intruders. you will be informed of unfriendlies arriving through intelligence channels and it's up to you and your friends to either dock up and sit it out or get your pvp ships and go shoot them.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#6 - 2014-10-21 22:19:18 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:


I have friends who are part of a corporation that rent three systems from Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere and they want me to join them out there. I was wondering if someone can explain a few things about that.



Don't become a nullbear.

Your "landlords" will call you various derogatory names and laugh at you. They or their alts may even shoot you for lolz from time to time.

Other people will actively try to shoot you, which your landlords will do nothing about. Your only "protection" is the number of jumps between you and those who will shoot you for giggles. Wormholes mean you can't even take that for granted.

If all you want to do is farm with your friends, go play a different game.

If you want to fight, play EVE.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#7 - 2014-10-22 09:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Trixi Audeles wrote:

My main character (this is an alt for forum posting) has spent his whole time in eve (10 months) in high sec so I don't know much about low and null sec except for some PvP roams. I have friends who are part of a corporation that rent three systems from Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere and they want me to join them out there. I was wondering if someone can explain a few things about that.

1. I picture sov space like this to be filled with blue alliance ships patrolling and fighting back roams coming in, but it is hard for me to picture the sort of safety and stability that I am being told exists. I know in a high sec wardec you basically can be hunted down and killed with impunity and it is very hard to do any PvE content unless you are in a group using cheap ships you don't mind losing. So how does that work in sov space? It is one thing to basically be in PvP mode all the time, but how do you do any PvE when a couple of T3 cruisers can blow up your ratting BS or mining Oracle?

2. Almost all my skill points have gone into core skills and training to fly a Golem, which I will be able to do in 6 days. Do people fly battleships/marauders in sov space for ratting or do you just fly cheap cruisers you can replace day after day?

3. I heard that with the new jump mechanics in next patch that the big sovereignties won't be able to protect their space and it will be the end of renting systems. Should I wait until next month to see how that turns out?

4. I am used to selling loot and buying ships / modules in high sec very easily. How does that work logistically in sov space? Do you have to have everything shipped in and shipped out? Doesn't that additional cost make it difficult to make a profit, especially since you will be losing expensive ships much more frequently?

5. I read that sov space renters are called Nullbears and are enthusiastically hunted for fun and tears by, well, everyone. If the renters are not a strong PvP corp with a 24/7 presence then how "protected" do the landlords attempt to keep the space?

6. Does anyone know much about the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere? What is their reputation?

I am interested in this because I like these guys and I need more danger than *zero* to really enjoy this game. I think I would get more PvP out there for sure, but I also still want to mine, run anoms, etc. Because this alliance has been wardecced by marmite 100 % since Feb, jumping to a clone in high sec to run some missions in a marauder a couple of time a week won't be an option. So if I make this jump it will be pretty much one way.

Thank in advance for your helpful replies.



1. Your idea of that it is full of patrols is false. However, with the amount of intel channels, a response fleet is likely formed up when an enemy comes and visit you. This same intel system, also means you can be safe long before an enemy shows up at your doorstep.

As for a mining Oracle....Really???


2. What ever you want. Just keep in mind that there will always be that part of Null-sec that you WILL lose a ship. It's not a matter IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

3. Something changes in EVE > People whine and start to spread rumours. It isn't there yet, so we won't know what it will do in the end. It will prevent easy power projection over long distances though.

4.

A. You only lose expensive ships, if you aren't careful and / or in a **** alliance.
B. Selling depends, there CAN be a local market. But in general you will export the majority to high-sec.

How it is done depends, it can be through BR or JF. That really depends what it is, how much it is and how deep in null you are.

5. Not really protected. If you don't like it and leave, the next one will take their place. In general Renters are helped against SOV warfare but general protection isn't that high up the list.

And yes, IN MY OPINION, renters are the lowest lifeforms. They only go to null-sec for own profit and not for what it is intended: Group game play which include PvP and fight for your right to be there. They rather take the lazy and chicken approach and pay people to do the hard work for them.

6. Well, as they are PL renters...see above and multiply by 10. Then again...it means more easy targets for those that like to shoot people.

But as general with renters: They have the space, because someone gave it to them. They can't defend it themself and if it happens that a war hits, they quickly fall and in general just by the sight of a war...Renters cry and run away (usually to the side that has the upperhand in the war, to do it all over again as renters for that side).

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-10-22 09:56:21 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
6. Well, as they are PL renters...see above and multiply by 10. Then again...it means more easy targets for those that like to shoot people.


[PBLRD] are CFC renters, not PL (not that it matters).

I should buy an Ishtar.

Trixi Audeles
Into the Dark
#9 - 2014-10-22 10:33:52 UTC
Thanks everyone for the information and opinions. (BTW I had meant Orca not Oracle.)

Only a few people wrote, but the consensus seems to be that participating as a renter in Nullsec is not a desirable activity. I have to say I am still confused about why this game mechanic is contentious. Eve is a sandbox and already provides many different game experiences from industry, trading, investing, mining, PI, exploration, missioning, faction warfare, incursions, etc. I have no idea what the relative numbers for what it is that "most" eve players do with their time, but I find it hard to believe that only the "real" eve gamers gain and defend nullsec eve territory and everyone else should "go play another game", as one poster put it.

J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2014-10-22 10:45:21 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Trixi Audeles wrote:
Thanks everyone for the information and opinions. (BTW I had meant Orca not Oracle.)

Only a few people wrote, but the consensus seems to be that participating as a renter in Nullsec is not a desirable activity. I have to say I am still confused about why this game mechanic is contentious. Eve is a sandbox and already provides many different game experiences from industry, trading, investing, mining, PI, exploration, missioning, faction warfare, incursions, etc. I have no idea what the relative numbers for what it is that "most" eve players do with their time, but I find it hard to believe that only the "real" eve gamers gain and defend nullsec eve territory and everyone else should "go play another game", as one poster put it.



Still...Orca is NOT a mining ship, It's a fleet assistance ship.

The issue why people look down on renters:


They did NOT take the space, they got it handed on a silver platter, yet they think they are entitled to things (like their "landlord" having to drop everything they are doing to provide safety etc.), if they aren't met in their demands, they start crying or just run away to another place. This in terms mean that you will get the name of unreliable (even as a landlord, you will rather want someone who backs you up and isn't too afraid to get his hands down - as long as rent gets paid on due date though).

Hence why people look down, renters are in general, the people that want the benefits of null-sec without any of the downsides of it. And when it isn't possible to get them, they will move to where it can be got.

That is not how null-sec works, it's a dog eats dog world, if you want safety, create it yourself.

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-10-22 11:01:11 UTC
Renter space is basically highsec without concord.
Your landlords won't protect you. They took the space and now allow you to live in there in exchange for isk. That's about all they do.
Trixi Audeles wrote:
I find it hard to believe that only the "real" eve gamers gain and defend nullsec eve territory and everyone else should "go play another game", as one poster put it.

EvE has much more to offer than sov nullsec.

For example there is wormhole space where you as a small corp can have your own system. In contrast to null there aren't any of those mega coalitions that control half the galaxy... actually even the larger corps only really hold one main system.
Since there are over 2500 w-space systems most of them are empty and are just waiting for you to occupy them.
A word of warning though: w-space isn't a place where you can just dock up and ignore PvP. While no one expects you to welp your 3 man gang to 20 man T3 gang some entities can get really mad at you when you don't take fights ever. (and as a result might even burn down your home system)
Trixi Audeles
Into the Dark
#12 - 2014-10-22 11:19:08 UTC
Hmm, that is interesting. I had heard so many negative things about null sec corps in general I have never really given them much thought. In particular I have heard:

- The average guy who joins a null sec corp is cannon fodder for the FC for possibly years. There is very little wiggle room in fitting doctrines and you exercise almost no latitude in how you spend your online time.

- You need to be able to take calls/IM's 24/7 in RL to jump in game to defend territory or bash on a POS

- There is a huge mandatory time commitment

There is a lot I like about eve but I admit that I have not yet found the right place for me. I am 50 yo with a job and a family and I play in the evening EST. I don't confuse my game priorities with real life and I don't want to spend time with people who get too serious about a game. I think high sec has possibly become too boring for me, which is is why I am considering what my options are in null sec. I do need some danger to make it interesting, but not if the cost is having to conform to someone else strict judgment on how/what/when to play.

Living in null and engaing in *all* the content eve provides (much of it PvE) while chatting with corp mates on TS and jumping in PvP ships to defend territory when necessary seems reasonable. Being a navy cadet at war 24/7 being yelled at by commanders and having judgement passed on what I do and how I do it does not interest me.
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#13 - 2014-10-22 12:30:31 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:
Hmm, that is interesting. I had heard so many negative things about null sec corps in general I have never really given them much thought. In particular I have heard:

- The average guy who joins a null sec corp is cannon fodder for the FC for possibly years. There is very little wiggle room in fitting doctrines and you exercise almost no latitude in how you spend your online time.

- You need to be able to take calls/IM's 24/7 in RL to jump in game to defend territory or bash on a POS

- There is a huge mandatory time commitment

There is a lot I like about eve but I admit that I have not yet found the right place for me. I am 50 yo with a job and a family and I play in the evening EST. I don't confuse my game priorities with real life and I don't want to spend time with people who get too serious about a game. I think high sec has possibly become too boring for me, which is is why I am considering what my options are in null sec. I do need some danger to make it interesting, but not if the cost is having to conform to someone else strict judgment on how/what/when to play.

Living in null and engaing in *all* the content eve provides (much of it PvE) while chatting with corp mates on TS and jumping in PvP ships to defend territory when necessary seems reasonable. Being a navy cadet at war 24/7 being yelled at by commanders and having judgement passed on what I do and how I do it does not interest me.


- That really depends who you fly with (both which alliance and which FC) and also about your own attitude. I know people who stayed cannon fodder for years, I know people who became FC in just months...

- Well, it depends, a bunch do require your help when possibly can. There is a very very very small bunch that actually asks you to do drop what you are doing to play a game. The people that actually are on call (as in RL phone) are usually high up in the alliance/coalition. The IM pinging is just to get all people notified and thus as much attendance as possible.

- Yeah there is. You are in hostile space, did you expect you don't have to fight for your right to stay there...

So being in null-sec isn't "a walk in the park".




From what you say, I say...give null a try, but I do expect you won't like it much (but that is judging from personal experience with null-sec + what you expect).

As above, you might also want to look into WH space. It's basically null-sec without all the political BS (hint: not battleship this time) and E-peen FCs/leaders shouting orders.

Or as stated rent (renters in general do not PvP much or at least not as much as the "landlords"). However, many people will look down on you (both from the outside aswel as from your "landlord" alliance). The only issue you might find is that it's common to camp / attack renters and a lot of renters will not even help fight but just dodge any PvP.

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#14 - 2014-10-22 15:43:12 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:
Hmm, that is interesting. I had heard so many negative things about null sec corps in general I have never really given them much thought. In particular I have heard:

- The average guy who joins a null sec corp is cannon fodder for the FC for possibly years. There is very little wiggle room in fitting doctrines and you exercise almost no latitude in how you spend your online time.

- You need to be able to take calls/IM's 24/7 in RL to jump in game to defend territory or bash on a POS

- There is a huge mandatory time commitment

There is a lot I like about eve but I admit that I have not yet found the right place for me. I am 50 yo with a job and a family and I play in the evening EST. I don't confuse my game priorities with real life and I don't want to spend time with people who get too serious about a game. I think high sec has possibly become too boring for me, which is is why I am considering what my options are in null sec. I do need some danger to make it interesting, but not if the cost is having to conform to someone else strict judgment on how/what/when to play.

Living in null and engaing in *all* the content eve provides (much of it PvE) while chatting with corp mates on TS and jumping in PvP ships to defend territory when necessary seems reasonable. Being a navy cadet at war 24/7 being yelled at by commanders and having judgement passed on what I do and how I do it does not interest me.


Sorry if I came across as negative!

To be clear, I completely empathize with your position. Mine is *very* similar. I am by definition a "casual" player. The playstyle you describe ("Living in null and engaing in *all* the content eve provides (much of it PvE) while chatting with corp mates on TS and jumping in PvP ships to defend territory when necessary") is pretty much what the group I belong to does.

We don't do it in sov null, that's all.

Well, except for occasional raids into sov null to hunt nullbears or steal stuff :-P

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#15 - 2014-10-22 18:30:13 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:
Thanks everyone for the information and opinions. (BTW I had meant Orca not Oracle.)

Only a few people wrote, but the consensus seems to be that participating as a renter in Nullsec is not a desirable activity. I have to say I am still confused about why this game mechanic is contentious. Eve is a sandbox and already provides many different game experiences from industry, trading, investing, mining, PI, exploration, missioning, faction warfare, incursions, etc. I have no idea what the relative numbers for what it is that "most" eve players do with their time, but I find it hard to believe that only the "real" eve gamers gain and defend nullsec eve territory and everyone else should "go play another game", as one poster put it.




I wouldnt say null is not desirable -- what you have to understand is that eve is composed of different factions of players. Null folk look down on empire, empire looks down on null, low looks down on both empire and null, wh'ers think everyone is a carebear, etc. . . I've personally played in null, empire, low and wh, and for me low is the eve life. Others I know, love null and would give up the game if they had to play anywhere else. So my suggestion is to give it a shot and see how you like it. As for renter v. sov - well everyone tends to look down on renters, but its not all bad. Being in a sov alliance for me was terrible - I hated the constant CTAs, deployments, etc. . . While being a renter - there are no ctas. Of course you have to make isk to make the rent - and that can become as demanding as being forced to cta. All in all, if you are a serious pve'er being in a null renting alliance can work out but you have to be able to crunch the numbers and figure out what your time commitment is - if eve becomes like a job then imo its no fun - might as well get a real job, make real money and then plex your account so you can do something fun in eve like shoot other players.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#16 - 2014-10-22 18:33:46 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:
Hmm, that is interesting. I had heard so many negative things about null sec corps in general I have never really given them much thought. In particular I have heard:

- The average guy who joins a null sec corp is cannon fodder for the FC for possibly years. There is very little wiggle room in fitting doctrines and you exercise almost no latitude in how you spend your online time.

- You need to be able to take calls/IM's 24/7 in RL to jump in game to defend territory or bash on a POS

- There is a huge mandatory time commitment

There is a lot I like about eve but I admit that I have not yet found the right place for me. I am 50 yo with a job and a family and I play in the evening EST. I don't confuse my game priorities with real life and I don't want to spend time with people who get too serious about a game. I think high sec has possibly become too boring for me, which is is why I am considering what my options are in null sec. I do need some danger to make it interesting, but not if the cost is having to conform to someone else strict judgment on how/what/when to play.

Living in null and engaing in *all* the content eve provides (much of it PvE) while chatting with corp mates on TS and jumping in PvP ships to defend territory when necessary seems reasonable. Being a navy cadet at war 24/7 being yelled at by commanders and having judgement passed on what I do and how I do it does not interest me.


If you dont want to have a lot of time commitment in eve and you want casual play - well, imo lowsec and/or faction warfare are the way to go.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#17 - 2014-10-22 18:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
1.
... Mining Oracle? That one i have to see.

Anyway. Imagine you're at war with everyone all the time, but the population of space is much sparser and you have a lot more friends. You do your ratting/mining/whatever like normal, and you also keep an eye out for danger. Whenever hostiles show up, they will usually be pointed out by an ally in an intel channel. When they are reported, you know to be on your toes. Depending on successive reports, you may even be able to chart what path they take, and what they're going for. If they arrive in your system, you should have had enough warning to be able to safely evade them.

Intel channels are also used by defense fleets, who try to hunt and expel any hostiles. The presence of defense fleets varies by timezone and what group you're part of. Some are more effective and more frequent than others. Nullsec rewards organization and standing up for yourself, so contributing by either providing intel or jumping into a PvP ship when there is a need is important.

2.
Cheap cruisers can't easily do most content in nullsec. Battleships and other big/heavy ships are necessary to do some stuff if you want to solo it. On the other hand, the more expensive the ship, the more risk you're taking. It's a trade-off.

3.
It's mostly doomsaying. It will be hectic for sure, but nobody knows exactly how it's going to pan out. It will make defending space harder. Impossible? Hardly. No ratting systems? As if. There's too much profit there. People will figure out a way.

4.
Many nullsec groups have trading "hubs" where people agree to try to sell/trade their stuff. However importing/exporting to empire is important, and corps usually have one or more pilots whose "job" it is to haul stuff around. It costs a bit extra, yeah, so you'll need to keep that in mind. Also, leaving a jump clone behind in hisec is a good plan, so you can quickly obtain stuff that can't be easily obtained in nullsec.

5.
Depends on the landlords. Can't say in your case. I have hunted in Providence though, and their defense is pretty strong due to very bored PvPers. Things may change come next expansion, though.

Also, keep in mind "nullbears" is a term affixed to people who dwell in nullsec but seem to be in denial about the realities of risk in nullsec, and about the fact that "safety" is something you achieve through your actions and those of your allies, not something to take for granted. While this description commonly overlaps renters, it is not equivalent to it.

6.
Don't know much about the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere, sorry. I've been out of game for a while and am only getting back into it recently. The politics are all different.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2014-10-22 21:27:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
There is nothing wrong with renting space and carebearing it up. However, understand you are living in hostile territory, even if you have a sea of friends around you.

You will have to deal with cloaky campers that sit in system all day, every day, until some day they decloaked,tackle you,and cyno in a fleet.

You will have to deal with hostiles that enter system and attempt to kill you. If you don't get safe in time, you'll lose your ship (and often pod too).

You will have intel channels to report hostiles in the area, but they don't work perfectly.

I'd recommend giving it a go. Don't take what you can't afford to lose, and have some fun. The NPC's are bigger, the loot is nicer, and it is a different environment. The MAIN reason I suggest going though, is to spend some time with your friends. Flying with friends is what really makes this game enjoyable (IMO).

P.S. The universe is changing with the upcoming jump fatigue and jump drive distance changes. It is unknown how this will alter nullsec, but it should be interesting and changing times. Being in nullsec, in an active corp, may put you in a position to become rich from the changes, or vice versa, you might lose all the assets you bring out to null. Either way, the losses or gains aren't what really matter, but the experiences.

It is never about the destination, it is about the journey!

Also, markets in null are very hit or miss. Sometimes you have to be self sufficient, which usually means bringing in that which you need from highsec. WH's are a very nice tool for moving low-volume items from deep nullsec to highsec too.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2014-10-23 07:59:40 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:

6. Does anyone know much about the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere? What is their reputation?

Its goons renting alliance. Given that NC. recently started to grind down Querious unopposed from Init or the rest of the CFC and the CFC apperently abbandoned Delve too, I'm not sure this is a good time to start a career as a goon renter just now Big smile
Cherri Minoa
IronPig
Sev3rance
#20 - 2014-10-23 10:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cherri Minoa
If you get the chance, go there. Try it. Decide for yourself.

Not everyone regards renters as pondlife, you just need a mature and realistic landlord / tenant relationship, although it will always be 2nd best to being in a sov holding alliance.

The great thing about EVE is that there are so many ways to do the hustle. Personally I rarely leave null sec, I love it, I feel much safer than I do in low or hi. You may find you feel the same, you may find you hate it. Give it a go.

"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson

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