Missions & Complexes

Everywhere I look I'm seeing people say how you need a pimped out pirate battleship or a faction fit tengu and the likes for running high sec incursions.

Really?

I would like to get into them at some point, but that's just not going to happen.

Then I was told the easiest way to get into it is through logistics, jump in a basilisk. So I looked into that and apparently I have to have Logistics 5. It kind of makes sense, I can't run 4 reps cap stable with only Logi 4 unless I have 2 cap transfers on me. Then I can run both transfers and all 4 reps and 2 cap transfers and be 96% cap stable.

Would fleets just laugh me off if I told them this and still insist on Logi 5?

Last question... Anybody reading this who runs Incursion fleets in high sec and is ok with this, and is happy to take me into a fleet as a newb to it, please let me know?

Many thanks.

Ahh I think I do remember reading something on how the fleet who does the best gets the money, or something along those lines.

So you're saying I may as well just forget it until I can afford and fully kit out a pirate battleship or until I get logi 5?

Lol I'm closer to Logi 5 than Command Ships. Even so, the fact of the matter is still "You Must Be This Uber..." or it's just not happening.

That's what I was getting at.

It's ok, can't expect everybody to be able to do everything at once.

A logi5, sensibly setup, basilisk is probably the most desirable ship in shield incursion fleets ... followed by a logi4 basilisk.

Wannabe DPS-deliverers, shiny or rusty, are usually dime-a-dozen in incursion areas and the weak-link is usually (not always) the availability of good logi support ... or good FCs.



That's not a fact at all.

Like most everything in eve the better your skills are the more you're likely to be able to benefit / profit from an activity. Incursions, mostly requiring coordinated group efforts, are no exception.

Yes, there are uber-fleets of seven machariels, 1 webber loki, experienced FCs, three logis, and with perfect offgrid boosters but there are also fleets of less expensive ships out there running the sites. Of course those uber fleets are way better equipped to 'steal' sites, even when the less well equipped fleets have a considerable head-start.

Also you are always able to setup your own fleets and gather a bunch of like-minded folk around you. There are no shortage of options for all skill levels, it's just for you to choose to do what you want to do and get out there to do it.

Perhaps it would be unreasonable, though, to expect an FC to choose a lvl4 logi over a lvl5, or a maelstrom over a machariel. The FCs want their fleet to be as strong and as efficient as they can manage and usually choosing weaker ships or pilots, when better are available, does not achieve that.

Oh yeah, on that note, mind the logi gankers. Somebody invites you to fleet. He flip a can, you cap chain them, get his canflip aggro, his friends warp in to gank your logi. Tears, lulz.

You need those ships for a few reasons:

1. People equate lots of money with skill. They figure if you can afford stupidly expensive ships and modules, you must have been playing for a while, and know what you're doing. (hint: they're wrong)

2. Blitzing. People want to blitz sites, so they can move in to more sites, and make money faster.

3. Related to blitzing, if the incursion is heavily populated, you will have to contest sites. Who is going to win, a fleet with 8 machariels, or a fleet with 8 brutix?

Dorian is correct in that:
1. A well skilled lower-class ship (e.g. maelstrom) may well be able to deliver more than a poorly skilled higher-class ship (e.g. machariel / vargur) and that fact may be hidden from recruiting FCs. Mind you, once someone is well skilled in a T1 ship they are usually also reasonably well skilled for related pirate ships. Altho, as Dorian suggests, the assumption is not perfect it is **generally** safe to correlate skill-intensive ships to intensively skilled pilot. Now I absolutely agree with the premise that shiney-ship does not correlate, at all, with knowing what you're doing. I fly a range of well equipped very shiney ships, but only recently did my first incursion as a DPS person. Despite having been in hundreds of incursions (as logi) I was a bit lost on where / when to focus my fire. Thankfully the FC had used me previously as logi so was happy to coddle my ineptitude for a while ... and my subsequent ability to easily swap from basi to mach just added to the flexibility within his fleet.
2. The ship that a player advertises is not necessarily the ship they are flying, or even that they can fly. If I wanted I could advertise myself as flying a T2 weapon / faction fitted nightmare and link that fit ingame ... even tho I can't even use a medium T1 laser. Generally, however, people are honest(ish) and those that are not are usually found out and word of their dishonesty spreads fast.

So you're saying I might be able to get away with fitting my Mael with Meta4's and not waiting the last 9 days for large 5 to finish? :P

lol Thanks. Lots of good advice.

But...

Are High Sec Incusions difficult?

fit a proper buffer tank with good resists and have logis whom are on the ball and do not disconnect at inopportune moments and no they are not difficult.

fit a local rep tank and be in a drake fleet with pitiful dps with split tank (both shield and armour ships) then yes, you will die as will your fleet.