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Crane vs Bustard

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Justia Omnibus
Hostile Take0ver
#1 - 2011-12-13 14:45:03 UTC
Been searching online for a discussion on these two ships, but could only find ones from back in 2006. (Little outdated Lol) Anyways, I plan on using itfor running around in 0.0 and wormholes, transporting loot, etc. Using it in a potentially hostile environment is what I'm saying.

The +2 warp core bonus seems nice, but so does warping cloaked.

Which would you recommend and why?
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-13 14:54:58 UTC
Warping cloaked will always be better for safety but their cargohold is small. A mwd + cloak trick Bustard works if you need the bigger cargohold.
hgedsku
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-13 15:16:03 UTC
Crane has better align time, speed and cloaky warp.
Fit it w/ some 'inertia stabilizers' and 'low friction nozzle joints' rigs cloak and a mwd and it's like your flying a frig.
...The bustard aligns worse than a BS and is really slow.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-13 16:49:03 UTC
Bustard may align slow but with a mwd the align time will always be 10s
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-13 17:01:56 UTC
Both of them suck major balls.

Bustard is extra slow, if you are tackled, nothing may possibly save you. People use ECM bursts as last resort - it is suitable for Deep Null Excavation, when regular tank breaks under NPC's fire. Cool as pick up ore tool, possibly can be a bait.

Crane has problem fitting MWD - not enough grid. Sucky.

My favorite choice - viator and occator. Superb, long, snake like. No drawbacks, common design, better prices.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#6 - 2011-12-13 18:14:43 UTC
lol crane has no problem fitting an mwd, try training up a bit mate and ANY Deep Space Transporter is dead if caught.

The choice is pretty much down to align time or cargo. Crane can get just over 10k so is good for hauling cruisers. Bustard is fine too. Basing your advice on the ships look and cost is pretty stupid.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-13 19:29:44 UTC
Go with the Blockade Runner. DSTs are wicked vulnerable especially in 0.0 space as their +2 stab bonus does ZILCH to save you from bubbles and you don't have any speed to speak of either...so 1 bubble = dead DST.

As to Blockade Runners...the Crane is fine for 0.0 K-space work. You may wish to look at the Prowler for deep W-space hauling though, as it can fit both a cloak and a core probe launcher (which can save both you and your cargo from being trapped in a WH and forced to selfdestruct).
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-13 21:58:34 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
lol crane has no problem fitting an mwd, try training up a bit mate and ANY Deep Space Transporter is dead if caught.

The choice is pretty much down to align time or cargo. Crane can get just over 10k so is good for hauling cruisers. Bustard is fine too. Basing your advice on the ships look and cost is pretty stupid.


open up EFT. You've not flown a crane! T1 MWD is suck! Crane is T2 and needs T2 MWD! You speak like a non Caldari.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-12-13 22:22:13 UTC
Pff why bother transporting stuff when you can solo tank L5's in a Bustard
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Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#10 - 2011-12-13 22:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracko Malus
Opertone wrote:

open up EFT. You've not flown a crane! T1 MWD is suck! Crane is T2 and needs T2 MWD! You speak like a non Caldari.

Apparently you've not flown one... a nice tip for you using EFT is checking it out with all skills maxxed.

Just to add some clarification; Crane takes some engineering and navigation training to get the PG required to fit a Covert Ops Cloak II combined with (of course we use the Y-T8 Overcharged if you're not, you're doing it wrong in the first place)

But with max skills you actually have a PG of 156.2MW and the before mentioned MWD needs 150MW PG. The Cloak only takes 1PG.. so its certainly fittable.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-12-13 22:30:28 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
lol crane has no problem fitting an mwd, try training up a bit mate and ANY Deep Space Transporter is dead if caught.

The choice is pretty much down to align time or cargo. Crane can get just over 10k so is good for hauling cruisers. Bustard is fine too. Basing your advice on the ships look and cost is pretty stupid.


open up EFT. You've not flown a crane! T1 MWD is suck! Crane is T2 and needs T2 MWD! You speak like a non Caldari.

Derp. T2 MWDs are only used in certain rather specialized scenarios (usually on Amarr ships) where the cap penalty difference between them and a best named MWD matters. That, and best named MWDs are cheaper too.
GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
#12 - 2011-12-13 22:42:06 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
lol crane has no problem fitting an mwd, try training up a bit mate and ANY Deep Space Transporter is dead if caught.

The choice is pretty much down to align time or cargo. Crane can get just over 10k so is good for hauling cruisers. Bustard is fine too. Basing your advice on the ships look and cost is pretty stupid.


open up EFT. You've not flown a crane! T1 MWD is suck! Crane is T2 and needs T2 MWD! You speak like a non Caldari.


Call someone out for not doing the research / trying eft when you, yourself, have clearly done neither of those things.

You. Are. Stupid.
Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#13 - 2011-12-13 22:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracko Malus
GavinCapacitor wrote:

You. Are. Stupid.

Check it out yourself first... I'd say..

Tess La'Coil's loveslave.

Justia Omnibus
Hostile Take0ver
#14 - 2011-12-14 15:58:42 UTC
Seems like my gut feeling was right. Going with the Crane. I have no problem fitting an MWD. I am more worried about bubbles and I am not planning on transporting anything super huge.
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-14 17:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hauling Hal
Opertone wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
lol crane has no problem fitting an mwd, try training up a bit mate and ANY Deep Space Transporter is dead if caught.

The choice is pretty much down to align time or cargo. Crane can get just over 10k so is good for hauling cruisers. Bustard is fine too. Basing your advice on the ships look and cost is pretty stupid.


open up EFT. You've not flown a crane! T1 MWD is suck! Crane is T2 and needs T2 MWD! You speak like a non Caldari.


Wow, and you know bugger all about EFT or MWDs.

They all give the same speed bonus, the only difference is the fittings, the cap usage and the cap penalty. A T2 has higher fittings, higher cap usage, but lower cap penalty than a T1. If you need to run a T1 MWD to the point you run out of cap, then you are already dead, so the only difference a T2 would make on a Crane is you losing more isk when you get killed, you having less tank due to the extra powergrid you used fitting the T2 and the chance of giving the attacker more ISK if the MWD survives.
Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#16 - 2011-12-14 19:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracko Malus
[Name]__[Base Cargo]__ [Base Inertia]_[Lowslots] [Max Cargo]__ [Align Time Inertia Stabs]
Crane___3500 _________0.48x_______2_______ 7112.1_______ 3.4s
Viator___ 3000_________0.55x_______3_______ 7772.5_______ 3.4s
Prorator_ 2500_________0.55x_______4_______ 8258.3_______ 3.1s
Prowler__3250_________0.55x_______2_______ 6604.1_______ 3.4s

*Max cargo considering only cargohold expander 2's. And Inertia Stabs also using the regular tech2's.

All in all I think the Prorator would actually be the best choice as it gives you the most flexibility.

Though, my personal preference is the Prowler, as it's the only one that can fit a probe launcher next to the cloak due to having 2 hislots.

Also, a neat trick commonly used is putting Giant Secure Containers in your hold. 1 of these takes up 3k, yet grants an internal size of 3.9k. Which is really nice if you're transporting multiple things. The limit for ship transport this way is Frigates though.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#17 - 2011-12-14 21:36:10 UTC
nice writeup, its worth considering the MAX cargo with tech I and II cargohold optimisations though as this lets some of them tip into the 'can transport a cruiser' category, which is valuable for some.

For those that dont haul as much, their advantage is basically agility

OK since I suggested it I might as well do the work...

MAX HAULAGE POTENTIAL:
[Name]__[Max Cargo TI RIG]__ [Max Cargo TII rig]
Crane___09406____________10241
Viator___10279____________11192
Prorator_10922____________11892
Prowler__08734____________09510

So with tech I cargo rigs you can haul a cruiser in a viator or prorator, with tech II cargo rigs you can do the same in a Crane also.

The Prowler is kind of a special case since it has the 2 high slots. Very good for wormholes, or even as a probing scout for particular situations like ninja plexing.

i usually cargo rig mine and swap out lows for agility or extra cargo as needed since the stacking on inertia mods (dont use more than 3 ever) is more severe.

Tackle haulers are an entirely different beast and beyond the scope of what the OP was asking.

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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-12-14 23:30:02 UTC
Crane vs Bustard?

Which one is the awesome (and not used enough) Badger Mk III hull?

That one. Yeeeeeeah.
Spineker
#19 - 2011-12-15 05:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
My crane with right skills aligns like a frig it seems sometimes. MWD is not a problem and no I don't use t2 mwd that would be stupid.. Does anyone use T2 MWD over Y Meta 4? Can't figure why they would.

It also has coolness cloak always good if you don't need to move more than 7000m3 to 9500m3 depending on fit.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-15 08:38:03 UTC
hgedsku wrote:
Crane has better align time, speed and cloaky warp.
Fit it w/ some 'inertia stabilizers' and 'low friction nozzle joints' rigs cloak and a mwd and it's like your flying a frig.
...The bustard aligns worse than a BS and is really slow.


quite good though loose the stabilizers and fit nano's -> loose a little bit inerta but gain speed and more important lower sig, yeah you loose hp as well though when caught you're dead anyway.

on topic: Bustard in a fleet, unless you hava a covert-ops fleet, in all other cases a Crane, it's cheaper and safer.