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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#21 - 2014-10-21 00:53:34 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better...

That's because... it is.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#22 - 2014-10-21 02:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
NEONOVUS wrote:
And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
go figure


Maybe comparing a faction boat to a pirate boat might have something to do with it?

Moving on,
I still stand by my opinion that undoing that missile tracking thing will not be the end of EVE.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-10-21 07:15:27 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better...

That's because... it is.


Actually it's the overkill and juggling painters that is the root of that particular issue.

I run a mach with a 4/3 gun split minimizing overkill and allowing me to splash frigates two at a time. The CNR kills the big stuff faster, but for most uses there is about a 70/30 split of small/big stuff so the gun boats pull ahead.


I've actually found excellent success with a missile/gun boat dual box combo, but I digress.
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#24 - 2014-10-21 22:02:19 UTC
Ama Scelesta wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"… Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?


Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE.

Well the last time we got glass cannon ships we didn't get a missile version, so if you're a missile specialist it's entirely reasonable to fear a repeat of what happened. Maybe even more so, since the missile tier 3 BC did exist, but it was scrapped after testing.


Missiles and drones get the shaft all of the time because they cause lag in large fleet fights, it's sad really as an incoming missile should make you **** bricks as opposed to incoming bullets, especially as some missiles are supposed to be nuke equivalents.

Fix the lag ccp, don't nerf the missiles. I had 5.5 million sp in missiles, now I don't even fit them. ******* waste.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#25 - 2014-10-21 23:45:18 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
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Missiles and drones get the shaft all of the time because they cause lag in large fleet fights, it's sad really as an incoming missile should make you **** bricks as opposed to incoming bullets, especially as some missiles are supposed to be nuke equivalents.

Fix the lag ccp, don't nerf the missiles. I had 5.5 million sp in missiles, now I don't even fit them. ******* waste.


I hear you and I am advocation for the revenge of the missiles for a very long time now but everytime I do there are not much folks speaking up with me.

But I do keep fighting the windmill (est. 2007 by e2)™

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Moraguth
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2014-10-22 00:05:21 UTC
Don't we already have glass cannon missile boats? I like to call them Stealth Bombers.

okay okay, i'm going already. IT WAS JUST A JOKE, C'MON!

I got a Feature Added!

Stop calling an Abaddon "abba-dawn".  It is "uh-bad-in" dictionary.com/abaddon
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-10-22 03:45:36 UTC
Ama Scelesta wrote:
Well the last time we got glass cannon ships we didn't get a missile version, so if you're a missile specialist it's entirely reasonable to fear a repeat of what happened. Maybe even more so, since the missile tier 3 BC did exist, but it was scrapped after testing.
CCP can't figure out why it's so hard to balance different sizes of missile ships. It couldn't possibly be that torpedo DPS has been way too high for like the last fifteen expansions. No, it has to be the ships themselves...

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#28 - 2014-10-22 11:58:08 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"… Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?


OP, you're already out of date, go looking in the test server forum, missile launchers are included with the new "glass cannons".

This thread is now officially pointless.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-10-22 14:02:28 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"… Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?


OP, you're already out of date, go looking in the test server forum, missile launchers are included with the new "glass cannons".

This thread is now officially pointless.


Cept for the fact that missiles are just bad.
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2014-10-22 14:18:15 UTC
You can close this now.... There are glass cannon missiles mods so no need to emo about it anymore.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-10-22 14:28:13 UTC
Tappits wrote:
You can close this now.... There are glass cannon missiles mods so no need to emo about it anymore.



well we could be emo about the wow-ification of eve.

Blighted? Seriously? Lets go sci-fi not D&D in naming since you know....kind of a sci fi game. Of it it must have the name...blight usually implies DOT based "health" drain yet these aren't DOT type weapons.



besides name I am kind of let down by the SR aspect. I like LR from time to time, oh well.


Since ccp won't put up stats (probably to force sisi use)....any sisi players give the torps a go yet if there? Are they fitting on bombers? To try and keep this in the missile spirit of thread.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2014-10-22 15:01:52 UTC
Ama Scelesta wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"… Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?


Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE.

Well the last time we got glass cannon ships we didn't get a missile version, so if you're a missile specialist it's entirely reasonable to fear a repeat of what happened. Maybe even more so, since the missile tier 3 BC did exist, but it was scrapped after testing.


I remember testing the torpedo/cruise Naga on sisi. It was... weird. Torps didn't apply well enough (to anything except large hulls that would just **** a Naga. Cruise missiles were blah because time to target. So they went with rails.

Then missiles got rebalanced and cruise missiles are actually decent now. RIP my missile Naga.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#33 - 2014-10-22 15:57:18 UTC
Well, thread is no longer required since it is now known that there WILL in fact be missile versions of the "glass cannons"
(check test server feedback forum)
Ghaustyl Kathix
Rising Thunder
#34 - 2014-10-23 00:54:19 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
..or to make 'unpredictable' changes they could, you know, ditch missile tracking Big smile
Sorry, you don't get to one-shot subcaps with your Phoenix's torpedoes.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#35 - 2014-10-23 03:09:05 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Well, thread is no longer required since it is now known that there WILL in fact be missile versions of the "glass cannons"

If by "missile" you mean rockets, heavy assault missiles and torpedoes - then yes. But they still got screwed as guns get a damage and rate of fire bonus and missiles only got a rate of fire bonus.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#36 - 2014-10-23 07:03:24 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Well, thread is no longer required since it is now known that there WILL in fact be missile versions of the "glass cannons"

If by "missile" you mean rockets, heavy assault missiles and torpedoes - then yes. But they still got screwed as guns get a damage and rate of fire bonus and missiles only got a rate of fire bonus.

I feel I'm gazing into true enlightenment at this point.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-10-23 07:47:02 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
at eve vegas they "spoilered" some kind of new weapon system that hits like a truck but drops your resists to 0...

Now i want to know if they'll do a smartbomb version! (the hilarity of a 0 resist to own damage type piebombing fleet is just hilarious to me)


sounds like an arty nado to me.

meh~

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#38 - 2014-10-23 09:36:04 UTC
Ghaustyl Kathix wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
..or to make 'unpredictable' changes they could, you know, ditch missile tracking Big smile
Sorry, you don't get to one-shot subcaps with your Phoenix's torpedoes.


Then I will ask someone to remove the ability to target lock subcapital ships from all dreadnoughts.

The Phoenix can't so it will be even!

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-10-23 11:27:43 UTC
Golem + Class Cannon Torpedoes = ?

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-10-23 11:29:50 UTC
Article's out already; missiles are getting it so calm your space-****: http://themittani.com/news/phoebe-blighted-weaponry
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