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Tempest Justice Edition skin issue

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Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#1 - 2014-10-21 21:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Entity
So I see this Tempest skin is on sisi:
http://i.imgur.com/BugJ7ii.png

This is exactly the same graphicID as the Tempest Tribal Issue.

>>> items.Get("Tempest Justice Edition").graphicID
3205L
>>> items.Get("Tempest Tribal Issue").graphicID
3205L


I get that it's the test server etc bla bla, but all the other new battleship skins seem to have proper new skins as can be seen here:
http://imgur.com/a/mWIrD

Please tell me you are not going to reuse the graphics of a priceless unique ship as a common skin.

Thanks.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2 - 2014-10-22 01:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
When's the last time anyone other than you even saw that priceless unique ship? It may as well not exist.

Besides, it's not as if it has the same stats. Imitations won't hurt the value of your original.

Complain when they start adding more Tribal Tempests to the market, not when they start adding ship skins that look like it.

CCP, please don't forget the other three factions. There's still a President-edition Mega and Kronos, Emperor-edition Apocalypse and Paladin and a State Executor-edition Raven and Golem to be had.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#3 - 2014-10-22 02:17:46 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
When's the last time anyone other than you even saw that priceless unique ship? It may as well not exist.

Besides, it's not as if it has the same stats. Imitations won't hurt the value of your original.

Complain when they start adding more Tribal Tempests to the market, not when they start adding ship skins that look like it.

CCP, please don't forget the other three factions. There's still a President-edition Mega and Kronos, Emperor-edition Apocalypse and Paladin and a State Executor-edition Raven and Golem to be had.


Just because that ship has no "Alliance Tournament III" decal on it unlike all the later prize ships, doesn't make it okay to reuse its graphic (or any other event reward's graphic for that matter).

What if everyone's car looked like a Bugatti Veyron? Having a real one wouldn't mean that much anymore. Sure the real one would still have its "stats" but its -looks- would no longer be relevant, and that's the thing that makes people go "oooh would you look at that" when they do finally encounter one on the road.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2014-10-22 02:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
There's a difference between a Bugatti Veyron, which you might actually see if you're lucky, and one of your AT3 ships that nobody will ever see. What's the difference? You might actually see a Bugatti Veyron if you're lucky.

I'll say it again - your ships may as well not exist.

Besides, what are you going to do when CCP lets us have free rein over coloring our ships? I could make a flotilla of AT3-colored ships and just hand them out like candy on the Dodixie undock.

Get over it and let the rest of us have pretty ships too. It's not like they're devaluing your never-to-be-sold hangar queens.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2014-10-22 02:48:28 UTC
Can't wait for a pitch black Golem...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2014-10-22 02:55:00 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Can't wait for a pitch black Golem...


With metallic gold trim?
Calando
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-10-22 03:22:59 UTC
Entity wrote:
What if everyone's car looked like a Bugatti Veyron? Having a real one wouldn't mean that much anymore. Sure the real one would still have its "stats" but its -looks- would no longer be relevant, and that's the thing that makes people go "oooh would you look at that" when they do finally encounter one on the road.

Your argument fails, because it is exceptionally unlikely that the aforementioned Tempest will ever again see the outside of a docking ring for as long as EVE exists. As Alvatore said, the one-of-a-kind ships in your collection may as well not exist. And really, the value of that collection is only meaningful to you. It's CCP's game, and your collection is likely only as valuable to them as your ongoing subscription to the game, if even that. And to anyone who isn't you, those ships are only valuable to the thrall-like hordes of gankers that would probably stab each other in real life for a chance at the killmail.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#8 - 2014-10-22 11:56:34 UTC
Calando wrote:
Your argument fails, because it is exceptionally unlikely that the aforementioned Tempest will ever again see the outside of a docking ring for as long as EVE exists.


And that's where your argument fails. How I choose to use (or not use) my ships is my own business, and should not factor into any decision to use its skin.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#9 - 2014-10-22 12:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Entity wrote:
Calando wrote:
Your argument fails, because it is exceptionally unlikely that the aforementioned Tempest will ever again see the outside of a docking ring for as long as EVE exists.


And that's where your argument fails. How I choose to use (or not use) my ships is my own business, and should not factor into any decision to use its skin.


CCP never promised you any sort of exclusivity when you bought your ships and decided to lock them away forever.

However, your argument fails because just a few posts ago you were talking about seeing a Bugatti on the road. You can't argue "but nobody will be impressed when they see a Tribal Tempest" and then when the flaw that nobody will ever see one anyway is pointed out say "well, that argument is invalid because it's my decision how I use my ships".

Nobody's ever going to see a Tribal Tempest, Federate Megathron, State Raven or Imperial Apoc anyway, so who cares if the skins are re-used?

If you want to keep your ships unique (and your keep your special snowflake status intact) you should try going the route that CCP has demonstrated they will respect and Gold Magnate your ships. That is, get them blown to bits.

All that being said, however, it is ultimately CCP's game and they have every right to re-use ship skins if they want. If these ships do come into the game they'll more than likely be behind an Aurum wall and people paying money speaks volumes louder than a microscopic minority protesting.

Asking for special snowflake status doesn't work for anyone else and it shouldn't work for you either.

Oh and by the way: What about all those people with Guristas AT ships? What about the people who will have Victory-Edition Rattlesnakes that look basically like normal rattlesnakes except with a sticker on them? Why aren't you complaining about CCP re-using the Guristas skin for those AT ships instead of giving them a unique Guristas skin? Why are you only complaining about yourself?
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#10 - 2014-10-22 12:38:28 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Oh and by the way: What about all those people with Guristas AT ships? What about the people who will have Victory-Edition Rattlesnakes that look basically like normal rattlesnakes except with a sticker on them? Why aren't you complaining about CCP re-using the Guristas skin for those AT ships instead of giving them a unique Guristas skin?


The decals and gold stripes are part of the skin and that does in fact make them different. I would not have complained if they did the same thing with the Justice pest.

Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Why are you only complaining about yourself?


Not that I owe you any explanation, but I've complained about many other things before, including stuff I did not own, but that's between CCP and me. I suggest you take your implications and assumptions elsewhere. Secondly, there's 4 tribal tempests so I am not the only one affected.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#11 - 2014-10-22 13:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
The simple fact is that you're upset because something that looks like a Tribal Tempest is being added, not because a Tribal Tempest is being added. You want to be a special snowflake in the most meaningless and petty way possible. Given how long ago AT3 was, most players these days don't even know there is such a thing as a Tribal Tempest.

By the way, how are you "affected", again?

If you want to secure a place in history that someone will care about, Gold Magnate your ships. CCP has proven they'll respect that.

Perhaps you should get the other three owners to post their objections in this thread as well. Maybe the four of you together will be loud enough.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#12 - 2014-10-22 13:40:36 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
The simple fact is that you're upset because something that looks like a Tribal Tempest is being added, not because a Tribal Tempest is being added. You want to be a special snowflake in the most meaningless and petty way possible. Given how long ago AT3 was, most players these days don't even know there is such a thing as a Tribal Tempest.

By the way, how are you "affected", again?

If you want to secure a place in history that someone will care about, Gold Magnate your ships. CCP has proven they'll respect that.

Perhaps you should get the other three owners to post their objections in this thread as well. Maybe the four of you together will be loud enough.


I'm not entirely sure where you're coming up with all this "place in history" and "special snowflake" crap. All I'm asking is for them not to carbon copy the skin of an existing ship. It's not too much to ask for and I would complain about this for any ship.

Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine. Let's leave it at that.

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Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-10-22 15:01:26 UTC
You need one of each. Simple as that.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2014-10-22 15:08:15 UTC
Entity wrote:
Please tell me you are not going to reuse the graphics of a priceless unique ship as a common skin.


Without going into details, don't worry, the rarity and value of the Tempest Tribal Issue on Tranquility are secure.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#15 - 2014-10-22 15:12:21 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Entity wrote:
Please tell me you are not going to reuse the graphics of a priceless unique ship as a common skin.


Without going into details, don't worry, the rarity and value of the Tempest Tribal Issue on Tranquility are secure.


Cheers for the response :)

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Kiera Minaris
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-10-22 15:22:58 UTC
well, before CCP Darwin gave the answer we wanted, it looked like this just turned into "Lets attack Entity and his collection" thread.

Don't get me wrong, I wish he would un sub and give me his Fedathron, but I know that is not happening anytime soon, and I admire him for having the bank to get his collection. (and envy his collection xD)

Entity o7
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2014-10-22 15:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Kiera Minaris wrote:
well, before CCP Darwin gave the answer we wanted, it looked like this just turned into "Lets attack Entity and his collection" thread.

Don't get me wrong, I wish he would un sub and give me his Fedathron, but I know that is not happening anytime soon, and I admire him for having the bank to get his collection. (and envy his collection xD)

Entity o7


To be sure, I have nothing against Entity or his collection. I'm actually quite impressed by it. It represents a phenomenal amount of work tracking things down and a more phenomenal amount of work keeping track of everything.

The only thing I take issue with is "Nobody should have reproductions of Van Gogh's "Starry Night" because I have the original in my private gallery that only I can access."
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2014-10-22 16:41:35 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Entity wrote:
Please tell me you are not going to reuse the graphics of a priceless unique ship as a common skin.


Without going into details, don't worry, the rarity and value of the Tempest Tribal Issue on Tranquility are secure.


Question for ya Darwin, although I am not sure if you or your team would be able to answer this.

A while ago there was a change to how ship skins are stored and accessed. It was something about removing multiple copies of the same data but in theory it would allow ships to have new skins. The thread had something about a dread with sansha skins i think.

Is there any tool being made that will be released to the players through the web such as this http://www.eveonline.com/universe/spaceships/
but where we can pick the skins and layers. I am not talking about in game but just a tool in general.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2014-10-22 17:14:14 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Is there any tool being made that will be released to the players through the web such as this http://www.eveonline.com/universe/spaceships/
but where we can pick the skins and layers. I am not talking about in game but just a tool in general.


I don't really have much to offer you on this right now. I personally hope that we can update some of these kinds of things for the Space Object Factory, but there's a lot going on and game features are the priority right now for everyone who's touched it.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Rena Senn
Halal Gunnery
#20 - 2014-10-22 18:02:25 UTC
Entity wrote:

Just because that ship has no "Alliance Tournament III" decal on it unlike all the later prize ships, doesn't make it okay to reuse its graphic (or any other event reward's graphic for that matter).

What if everyone's car looked like a Bugatti Veyron? Having a real one wouldn't mean that much anymore. Sure the real one would still have its "stats" but its -looks- would no longer be relevant, and that's the thing that makes people go "oooh would you look at that" when they do finally encounter one on the road.


Bugatti Veyron body kits are a thing. They don't make the engineering of the original car any less special.
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