Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think there some valid points here. Sadly i have no faith that the Dev's care to read over any of this., nor would have the ability to even suggest one of these ideas for any real meaningful change.

PvE should of been beefed up by now. And having PvP drive PvE is desperately needed. And I'm obviously not talking about needing to buy more ships to blow up in PvP so you do PvE. ((This is not" Thee" Idea it's meant as a out-of-the-box idea to get other thoughts alone the same lines.... )) I'm talking about maybe having huge player made (as in, Player designed taking like minecraft building like skills (building the object piece by piece and custom designed 1 of a kind type thing) monuments that could be distroyed. Make space less empty. Also would create something worth going to see, thats another thing we have many systems but nothing worth really risking your ship over to goo see out there. Thats pretty sad.

Going off that same idea of making the stuff thats been around already mean more... Why can;t we use the character's we've designed and one of the most in-depth character makers to allow us to walk our selfs around the stations possibly having payer made and sold type of objects there like boosters. making a more interactive market. people haveing there own bar they run Etc. Maybe we could Mug people or at least fist fight. People would care more about there chars looks possibly then. There could even be a space arena where people can watch people Dog Fight in there ships on a more even;y matched fights where 2 or more people who want to pvp each other can sport there skills in fornt of others. Replace station spinning.

This thread has been almost literally discussed to death. Conclusion was this is a PVP game, making it harder to engage in PVP and remove stagnant assets from the game is bad. Tutorials and new player experience are inadequate and do not convey the gravity of the previously mentioned points and how preconceived notions of how an MMO should work based on other MMO mechanics doesn't apply.

If you want to read more into my line of reasoning here you go:


But really this thread is dead. It's all been discussed, and no new points were made. Carebears argue from emotional knee jerk reactions and the rest of the playerbase recognizes that assets need to be destroyed (in order to keep the economy rolling) and greater reward needs to merit greater risk.

That's really all there is to it.

Things like this are exactly why the F&ID forums exists. CCP knows all too well that Eve isn't perfect. Personally, I think that it likely never will be perfect because, plain and simple, you CAN'T please everyone. But they can please as many of us as possible by reading our feedback on the forums. Just because a thread doesn't have the DEV tag next to it doesn't mean that the devs are ignoring that thread. The key to making/keeping Eve fun and enjoyable is to share your ideas. Don't worry about it being a stupid idea. You never know, there might be more people out there who agree with you than you think. If it is a stupid idea, then people will come and call you stupid and what not. Don't worry about it. You can try to get them to see things your way if you want to, but if it is consistently seen as a bad idea then just take it as constructive criticism and go back to the drawing board.

Bad ideas are just as important as good ones. It keeps CCP informed on what the players want compared to what they don't want. It will also keep CCP informed on what the game needs to stay fresh and interesting. Sometimes, what the game needs doesn't exactly align with what they players want. For example, the upcoming jump drive nerf. It doesn't sound like it's going over very well with many players, but CCP is doing it anyway because they feel like they need to do something to stop nullsec from stagnating. That is my understanding of it, at least. When the update hits, we'll all see what happens, and if it turns out to be a total flop, CCP will fix it. But they won't know that it's a total flop if we don't let them know. They can't address an issue if they don't know what the issue is.

Whenever I try to get one of my friends to play Eve, the first two things I always tell them are: 1) You HAVE to be patient. 2) Don't. F***ing. Worry. About. Flying. A goddamn. Titan. Patience being the relevant point to this topic. The way I see it, the main reason that people quit Eve is quite simply because they aren't patient with it. They're all used to other MMOs, so they want to start the game, skip the tutorial, and immediately start working on leveling their character up to lvl 20 in a matter of hours. Then they find out that 1) they don't know what the hell they're doing because they skipped the tutorial and 2) there are no levels. "Well how do I level my character up if there aren't levels?" You train skills. "Ok, so how do I train skills?" You buy them with ISK that you make by doing stuff. "What stuff?" Mining, missions, ratting, etc. You know, there are actually some really helpful missions that are part of that important tutorial that you skipped. Here, I'll help you get the tutorial started again. While you're doing that, why don't you work on training these starting skills? "How long will that take?" Somewhere in the ballpark of 18 minutes for lvl1, an hour or two for lvl2, a few more hours, maybe a day for lvl3, a few days for lvl4, and about a week or so for lvl5. So you're looking at roughly a week and a half to two weeks to completely train these skills, but they don't need to be lvl5 right away. "I want them at lvl5." Ok, do what you want. Some time later...."This is taking too long. This game is boring. This game sucks. I'm going back to WoW/SWTOR/what ever."

Therefore, I don't see it as a problem with Eve. I think that Eve is, for the most part, running as intended. The problems occur on a personal level with a lack of patience, first and foremost. If they do manage to stick with it for a little while, the problem becomes that they aren't used to playing so rough with other players, they don't like getting blown up all the time, and they don't like the aggressive criticism that they receive from many of the other players. They, personally, don't like the nature of what Eve Online is meant to be. That isn't something that CCP can fix. As a new player, you're going to find that other players don't play nice here, you're GOING to get blown up a lot unless you literally spend all of your time docked up, and other players are going to criticize you, troll you, and just generally not be very nice.

What better way for new players to fit in than fly the same ship as you. The Recruiting window is likely the best place for advertising corporation ships and/or fits flown, Training plans, etc. I have said as much here.

you can sense the anger.

There's lots of games out there that aren't for me. I don't feel bad about that.

If eve isn't for you, then you shouldn't feel bad about it, it's just a game.

Don't take it so seriously.

Reasons people quit

1. Scamming
2. Suicide ganking without real consequences
3. Awoxing
4. Repetitive PvE experience

Fix these and you can actually retain a large player base that enjoys PvE, and doesn't need to get an emotional high by blowing up other people.

I didn't realize you were put in charge of deciding who belongs in the game or not. Turns out a lot of people aren't looking for a hyper PvP tearfest gank game in highsec, and my impression is that Eve was never meant to be that way. No reason why CONCORD can't crack down on scamming, awoxing, etc.... Perhaps it's the scammers and awoxers who don't belong.

Yes, risk/reward, as CCP Falcon put it, should be the heart of Eve.

How much risk do margin trader scammers face? awoxers? suicide ganking podkillers in 5 mil thrashers? Oh wait - minimal to none. Which is EXACTLY why those are broken. Because they are activities that offer a reward, but carry no real risk or consequences. The same way a ganker in a nado can blow up a T1 hauler and scoop billions in loot, he should have a risk that extends to that measure as well - for example a chance of an extended GCC "jail sentence."

Risk/Reward is exactly what needs to be adjusted to keep people from quitting.

EVE has held steady for the last year or so. Not Died, but not gone up like it did in previous years. Players are un-subbing because of life reasons mostly, and most nullsec/lowsec/WH players enjoy coming back from time to time. Most new players don't even sub, not even once, because EVE is a very different game and hasn't got the instant appeal LOL and DOTA2 have.

How does EVE get a rise in subs again? Pheobe probably will do a lot to change that, just to encourage players who could never keep null-space to have another try.
What about the hi-sec players? I don't see them re-subbing so much and so probably nothing really, they're just sitting on the star-citizen page playing give your money away for blog updates.

I honestly think to add a big draw card for the hi-sec types you need a fully realized WiS game attached to EVE.

i watch groups of destroyers -10 warp into my missions when i'm running for SoE to try to gank me so don't say moving around is all that hard. They always fail cause a nightmare basi combo setup up for easy, stability and semi afk not not isk/hr is a tough nut to crack in 10-15 destroyers. The bigger negatives you list are are avoidable just like you claim you can avoid a gank, the losing a pod, or the losing of the looter.