Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I dont think - i know. Rephrasing my words fits very much to your post right before this one. Maybe a few moments spend in the Evelopedia brings you up to common ground and reduces the 'wow' effect for you.

So the capital ships were made exclusively for sov warfare?

Well **** son, guess we'd best kick them out of lowsec too. Wouldn't want them used where they weren't intended to be used.

Time as space are key attributes that both tactics and strategy take advantage of.

Make it so you can be anywhere at anytime and you destroy some of the best strategies and tactics that smaller forces have used to counter larger forces, and vice versa.

Dramatically increase the time it takes to get anywhere and that will dramatically improve the diversity of the strategies and tactics available, instead of just blob.

I'm going to just disagree with you there. When it comes to movement over large distances, especially when it comes to things which are as powerful as caps are, offensively.

Short trips should still be fairly quick, and they are with CCP's solution, as long as they're not too numerous in sequence. This is unlike Andy Landen's suggestion, which takes away caps' opportunity to use their jump capabilities in an offensive manner, and only leaves that as a GTFO card, and any travel anywhere (except by gates) is turned into a gastroscopy view of the ass-end of EVE for hours on end.

So we can all agree then that having 3 small LS pockets inaccessible to capitals by gate travel (you can still jump in and out) doesn't break eve game play? I think that's what I got out of that whole LS pocket discussion.

Those are awsome suggestions - would love to see them as well

I would prefer that we take the Indy core out back and shoot it, then go from there.

Okay so you really seem pretty geared toward trying to keep the Rorqual in the role it was originally envisioned and as it's description is written. Okay. That's great.

But if you're going to do that than what is the point of the large general purpose cargo hold? If the sole idea of this ship is to sit in the belt and compress ore and provide boosts, than also gimp it into that role.

BUT

Let me ask this, do you or the null sec dev group recognize POS work as something somewhat unique, that JF's are not really suited for?

Do you see the need for something between the freighter and the JF that has a jump drive?

If you really want to keep the Rorqual in belts at the expense of other features (RANGE), than would you consider adding a ship to fill the role that a lot of people are using the Rorqual for now?

What would some of the key features be of this type of ship?

1) JUMP RANGE! Doesn't have to be 10ly but at least 8 like the blops. As has been mentioned in this thread for the Rorq, perhaps tie it to a skill.

2) Full fitting layout. High's, mids, lows and rigs this helps to really work towards the next point.

3) Enough strength to defend itself to escape or tank for a moderate time until help arrives. Think ability to break light tackle (1 or 2 inty's) or ability to hold off a frigate gang. Similar to what the Rorqual has now.

4) Cargo space. Enough cargo space to bring everything needed to set up a POS. Think tower, full stront, mods fuel. Keep in mind the size of things like JB's.

Also on this note I will again bring up the idea of allowing us to choose the cargo specialization. Lets uses 376k m3 as an example. (Current max Rorq capacity not including the 30km3 fleet hangar)

1/3 of the 376km3 should be general purpose.
2/3 should be specialized BUT we should be able to choose the specialization by changing the fit.

So you end up with a ship that can haul a lot of a specific category, Moon Materials, Fuel Blocks, ore, minerals, composites, etc.
But it can't haul a mish mash of everything all at once as a JF can.

Those numbers for capacity are examples and certainly could be adjusted, but the big thing is being able to carry pos modules like JB's which are 100km3. Reduce module size if necessary.

5) Cost Should be cheaper than a JF. Prices fluctuate but JF's are still pretty expensive.

6) Miscellaneous - consider making Capital tractor beams able to pull unanchored pos modules. Agility and warp strength similar to the DST are useful. Capital MJD? Maybe, although that might be too much (probably).

I recognize that new ships take a lot of work on the art side, so what about just making a T2 version of the Rorqual, keep with the whale theme and call it a Narwhal or something. Price is a big factor so you would have to play around there. Maybe reduce the base costs of the Rorq.

One other thing that would be interesting. Can you check the database to find out how many assembled Rorquals that are currently out there, have mining link or industrial cores fitted. That should give you an idea of how many people are using the ship more in a hauling role.

EDIT: 7) Of course the same fatigue bonus the rorq is getting as well

I checked out the new jump rules for the JF’s. With the limitation to 10 light years some areas of the universe will be nearly unreachable for the JF’s.

As compensation for the new timer rules you could let the trained jump range of JDC 5 for JF’s to 11.5 ly (you would have to compensate with the skill points for the trained skill if not) otherwise the service to the border regions could be closed down.

If you really want to get small corporations into the outskirts of the Universe you will need some new NPC systems in these boarder regions as bridge systems.

But you can think about how much the present owners of the big alliance SOV’s are pissed off with this and will gank any attempt of corporations which trying to establish new grounds in the border regions and which corporation will start over and over again to settle in the border region!

It need only to gank any attempt to avoid any settlements.

30 Days for the upper limit still seems very extreme. Hell a week seems Extreme. I think the Devs might have to think of it from more of a players perspective because if I get a 30 day timer i will just unsub for a month until its gone.