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Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-10-21 11:26:43 UTC
I'll cross post from my thread then........

Spugg Galdon wrote:

We currently have Pirate Cone Soldier spawns in low sec belts that drop Tags that you can trade with concord in order to improve your security status from a negative value back to zero.

I propose a similar system of Navy Clone Soldiers. These would spawn in their respectively controlled FW space (i.e a Caldari controlled FW area would spawn Caldari Navy Clone Soldiers).

These rats would drop [Empire] Navy Clone Soldier Tags which can be traded for empire faction standing.

You can only trade them for faction standings "Repair". So the max standings you could achieve would be 0.0. So you can raise your standings from -10.0 to 0.0 with the tags like you can your sec status.

You would trade tags to the opposite faction.

So.....
You would trade Amarr Tags to the Minmatar.
You would trade Caldari Tags to the Gallente.
You would trade Gallente Tags to the Caldari.
You would trade Minmatar Tags to the Amarr.

This would create a system of being able to repair a ruined empire faction standing by farming tags
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2014-10-21 12:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tappits
I don’t see any problem with a system that allows you to (with some skills+ isk) get you back to a point were you can run the lowest L1 mission for whatever faction. I am all for Risk vs reward but having your mission running from when you were a noob years ago before you even had a clue and not having a reasonable way to grind back the standing is not good. (Remember you can grind your normal security status up anywhere in eve at any time in any ship.)
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#23 - 2014-10-21 14:26:56 UTC
Just say "No." to pay-2-win.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2014-10-21 16:56:46 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Just say "No." to pay-2-win.


Well we should remove anything above meta 1 items form the game then.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-10-21 19:06:51 UTC
Its not pay to win. I would be ok if it just got you back to zero so you can play the content you are PAYING for without being ganked by CCP.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#26 - 2014-10-22 08:43:18 UTC
Seeing as the proposal isn't to go above 0. It's pay to get back to where you were as a little nooblet...

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#27 - 2014-10-22 09:20:24 UTC
Efraya wrote:
Seeing as the proposal isn't to go above 0. It's pay to get back to where you were as a little nooblet...


I'll just leave the name of some rare books in here you might find interesting,

- Connections
- Social
- Diplomacy
- Fast Talk (only interesting for misunderstandings in lowsec)
- Mining connections
- Distribution Connections
- Security Connections
- Criminal Connections

If you want to know what those books have to do with anything, I suggest you read them.

To be honest, I didn't read them all so the Federation Navy might not be very excited to see me in Gallente space but the Mordus Legion, the Caldari State and the Empress love me very much Smile

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#28 - 2014-10-22 09:36:49 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Efraya wrote:
Seeing as the proposal isn't to go above 0. It's pay to get back to where you were as a little nooblet...


I'll just leave the name of some rare books in here you might find interesting,

- Connections
- Social
- Diplomacy
- Fast Talk (only interesting for misunderstandings in lowsec)
- Mining connections
- Distribution Connections
- Security Connections
- Criminal Connections

If you want to know what those books have to do with anything, I suggest you read them.

To be honest, I didn't read them all so the Federation Navy might not be very excited to see me in Gallente space but the Mordus Legion, the Caldari State and the Empress love me very much Smile


I certainly agree that these skills should remain in their current state. They certainly help. The main issue in my mind is that there is content that is available (Faction missions) which many people decline because they tank your faction standing. Faction standing is very time consuming to work back up. Even with these skills maxed, it would still be nice to have a mechanism by which we could reset our standings to neutral.

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Skyler Hawk
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#29 - 2014-10-22 10:29:20 UTC
We already have epic mission arcs for some pirate factions that allow you to repair your standings all the way from -10.0 to having full agent access. It'd be good if CCP filled in the missing pirate faction epics and added lowsec ones for each of the main empire factions.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#30 - 2014-10-22 10:53:50 UTC
Skyler Hawk wrote:
We already have epic mission arcs for some pirate factions that allow you to repair your standings all the way from -10.0 to having full agent access. It'd be good if CCP filled in the missing pirate faction epics and added lowsec ones for each of the main empire factions.



This is new information to me! I'll look into it. afaik you can only run these epic arcs once every 6 months though?

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#31 - 2014-10-22 10:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
Efraya wrote:
...I certainly agree that these skills should remain in their current state. They certainly help. The main issue in my mind is that there is content that is available (Faction missions) which many people decline because they tank your faction standing. Faction standing is very time consuming to work back up. Even with these skills maxed, it would still be nice to have a mechanism by which we could reset our standings to neutral.


What? I know.

For the most part those faction missions drop those tags you need in the LP stores and they decrease your standing but so does shooting rats in asteroid belt.

It is not so bad with some of the skills and you don't need all of them at once.

And don't take this wrong, your idea has merrit but a little work should remain. A few level 3 storyline missions go a long way to "repair" your standing.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Skyler Hawk
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#32 - 2014-10-22 11:11:25 UTC
Efraya wrote:
Skyler Hawk wrote:
We already have epic mission arcs for some pirate factions that allow you to repair your standings all the way from -10.0 to having full agent access. It'd be good if CCP filled in the missing pirate faction epics and added lowsec ones for each of the main empire factions.



This is new information to me! I'll look into it. afaik you can only run these epic arcs once every 6 months though?

It's every three months, not every six. Unfortunately they were only implemented for the angels and guristas so if you want other factions, you're currently out of luck.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#33 - 2014-10-22 12:24:20 UTC
elitatwo wrote:

And don't take this wrong, your idea has merrit but a little work should remain. A few level 3 storyline missions go a long way to "repair" your standing.


Precisely. I'm not here to do CCP's dirty work! Just a suggestion factory :D

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#34 - 2014-10-22 13:03:19 UTC
Tappits wrote:
I don’t see any problem with a system that allows you to (with some skills+ isk) get you back to a point were you can run the lowest L1 mission for whatever faction. I am all for Risk vs reward but having your mission running from when you were a noob years ago before you even had a clue and not having a reasonable way to grind back the standing is not good. (Remember you can grind your normal security status up anywhere in eve at any time in any ship.)

Level 1 missions are available to every player in the game, even those with -10 standings. The problem you face is getting your standing back to the point where you may have access to these agents.

Arronicus wrote:
Of course allowing players to buy their way up above 0 standing would be a bad thing, but I don't see the harm in allowing players to bribe it back up to a beginner level, even if the price is fairly steep.

This is where the proposed idea runs into problems. Allowing players to buy there standings from negative back to zero without allowing that same system to be used to buy your way from positive to an even higher level of positive standings is idiotic. The only thing that makes the current systems tolerable is that everyone in the game can use them to improve standings no matter where you start or where you want to end up.

Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
That doesn't make making isk doing missions more viable or make it easier to avoid standings lowing missions.

This is part of how you can tell the serious mission runners from the want to be. All serious mission runners have stanfdings for multiple NPC in the same area. When an agent gives you those factions you reject and move on to another agent with no delays and no problems.

Ix Method wrote:
Well that's kinda the point isn't it. If you were to do something like this it would need to be priced high enough that, in general, players would only be able to do it for few enough corps as not to make standings completely redundant and that tags/whatever are used would be valuable enough to farm.

How about that 6 month toon that has been truly idiotic about missions, yet having a bil to use to repair standings is only a dream. How would this system be fair to them and how would it increase the chances of these players staying in the game?
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#35 - 2014-10-22 13:10:51 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:

This is part of how you can tell the serious mission runners from the want to be.


I chuckled, IRL.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-10-22 13:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
Donnachadh wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Well that's kinda the point isn't it. If you were to do something like [allow purchasing of standings above 0] it would need to be priced high enough that, in general, players would only be able to do it for few enough corps as not to make standings completely redundant and that tags/whatever are used would be valuable enough to farm.

How about that 6 month toon that has been truly idiotic about missions, yet having a bil to use to repair standings is only a dream. How would this system be fair to them and how would it increase the chances of these players staying in the game?

Who cares? Not everything has to help new players, it just doesn't have to directly and actively hinder them which this wouldn't.

Trying to suggest balancing any system like this against extremely poor players is ridiculous, if anyone can afford to bump their standings for 50m-100m a decent percentage of the playerbase could simply flatout buy standings for every single NPC corp in the game and suddenly standings are worthless.

Back upto -4.99 for next to nothing? Fine, whatever. To -1.99 for better agents? Maybe, missions are awful and forcing people to grind 100s for no benefit helps no one. But above that? Sod em, if they want the benefits they should make a sacrifice whether isk or grinding.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#37 - 2014-10-23 14:32:19 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Trying to suggest balancing any system like this against extremely poor players is ridiculous, if anyone can afford to bump their standings for 50m-100m a decent percentage of the playerbase could simply flatout buy standings for every single NPC corp in the game and suddenly standings are worthless.

And here is the single biggest reason why pay for standings in any form is a bad idea for this game.
Make the costs high enough that vets need to work a little to earn the ISK, tags whatever and you exclude a portion of the games players that could benefit from this. Make it cheap enough that everyone can have access to it and it opens up a huge area for exploitation.


Ix Method wrote:
Back upto -4.99 for next to nothing? Fine, whatever. To -1.99 for better agents? Maybe, missions are awful and forcing people to grind 100s for no benefit helps no one. But above that? Sod em, if they want the benefits they should make a sacrifice whether isk or grinding.

Just another of the typical narrow minded, elitist, screw the rest of you comments that are so typical of a large portion of the PvP community. You want to be able to quickly and easily repair standings that YOU CHOOSE to screw up without having to engage in the grind like the rest of us. And yet when we non-PvP players want an equally easy way to build standings you say no way in hell go grind missions.

As I stated earlier I cannot change what already is, but then it really does not bother me either because I can use it to my advantage if I choose. Adding to or replacing the current system with one that can only be used by those with negative standings is unfair to a larger part of the game players and should never be implemented.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-10-23 16:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
Donnachadh wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Back upto -4.99 for next to nothing? Fine, whatever. To -1.99 for better agents? Maybe, missions are awful and forcing people to grind 100s for no benefit helps no one. But above that? Sod em, if they want the benefits they should make a sacrifice whether isk or grinding.

Just another of the typical narrow minded, elitist, screw the rest of you comments that are so typical of a large portion of the PvP community. You want to be able to quickly and easily repair standings that YOU CHOOSE to screw up without having to engage in the grind like the rest of us. And yet when we non-PvP players want an equally easy way to build standings you say no way in hell go grind missions.

As I stated earlier I cannot change what already is, but then it really does not bother me either because I can use it to my advantage if I choose. Adding to or replacing the current system with one that can only be used by those with negative standings is unfair to a larger part of the game players and should never be implemented.

If you could stop Dinsdale-ing for a moment it would be appreciated.

The people who can grind standings are the people who live in highsec and run L4s all day. Fine, good for the them.

The value of a system which allows people to buy standings is not forcing people - be they indy, trade alts, pvpers or whatever - to waste months training skills they have no other use for and days of doing activities they have no interest in everytime they need a new JC/Refining/Market station.

The need for it to be expensive it to prevent standings becoming instantly valueless.

People who wish to take the risk of farming tags or whatever get a nice payday, potentially create content for others and those of us with no interest in rescuing the damsel get on with our day. The ability to fix broken standings is a nice bonus.

Quite what this has to do with elitism or PVPers or whatever else you keep going on about escapes me.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#39 - 2014-10-23 18:33:28 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Most faction corps have stations in the other empires. Spam them in space you aren't shoot on site with to not get shoot on site standing.

Then you can bribe them at the data centres they run buying tags.


Depending on faction you made mad at you, SOE is also an option. I had gallente really not like me once. SOE missions (unless changed) give a somewhat decent splash faction boost to gallente and iirc just a bit to minmatar. I hit SOE agents not in gallente space until I was cleared for their space.



starter missions and data centers can be done once, then epic arcs 1 every 3 months. I agree with payment because:
1. CCP is always looking for ISK sinks to remove isk out of the game.
2. if you ever intend to rebalance your character that can be a lot of level ones, at one point i was needing over 1500 level ones with skills.
3. the mechanic already exist for sec status

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#40 - 2014-10-23 21:25:07 UTC
Diplomacy train it to 5 will lessen the blow of bad standings.

epic arcs are every 3 months need either that faction or corp standing to start them fir empire ones other than sisters of eve and pirate factions

The missions where you reduce your standings are the ones that drop tags to make mods out of.


Faction repair plan. its a thing on these forums its all you need.


you put in the work to tank your standings now put in the work to increase them.
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