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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2014-10-21 12:58:34 UTC
Hello.

With all the automations and verifications made by out of game tool, can some dev spend some time (after the null changes Roll ) and make some undetectable by API possibility to make fake api.
Api that will lie about :
- characters on the account
- transactions
- location
- etc.

API is fun , but to much of eve game is played out side of the game, and by out of game tools.

Now you don't have to login to check what is happening in game.

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
Viral Society
#2 - 2014-10-21 13:32:39 UTC
I can't be arsed to find the post about it, but CCP doesn't really want the API purposely providing false information. (IIRC, it was in a thread about Siphons, since the API will tell you which towers are losing materials to a siphon, making them somewhat less effective).

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-10-21 14:18:23 UTC
Why should i need something like this ?

-1
Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-10-21 14:26:18 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
I can't be arsed to find the post about it, but CCP doesn't really want the API purposely providing false information. (IIRC, it was in a thread about Siphons, since the API will tell you which towers are losing materials to a siphon, making them somewhat less effective).

If you provide false API's, developers will stop using them. I already require phone numbers for roles.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
Viral Society
#5 - 2014-10-21 14:47:26 UTC
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Why should i need something like this ?

-1

Corporate Espionage and Awoxing spring to mind immediately. They would be a lot easier if you could fake your API data. Scams and selling items you don't actually own would be another way to make use of false data.

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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#6 - 2014-10-21 16:29:27 UTC
And you want people to stop recruiting entirely? God knows i'd NEVER recruit anyone i dont know IRL and can go and "kick in the shins" (to use a slightly childish example) if i couldnt trust API information...

Next up you want the ability to reset "employment history"...

-1 not supported
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#7 - 2014-10-21 16:41:59 UTC
The devs are not (rightfully) into having the UI give false information. They pointed this out when they were discussing the margin trading scam because the client actually straight lies to you when you look at a purchase order, but you are unable to fill it.

-1

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Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2014-10-21 17:16:39 UTC
So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner.
Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes.
You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.

I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void.

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#9 - 2014-10-21 17:32:50 UTC
-1.

Any information provided by game systems, baring on grid EWAR causing omission (cloaking and the D-scan inhibitor) must be accurate or the game client loses the trust of the players, leading to a massive increase in paranoia. If you crank the paranoia of eve players up any further, we'll start taking heavy losses to pysch ward aggro IRL.

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Hoboland
#10 - 2014-10-21 17:48:43 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner.
Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes.
You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.

I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void.


Then shouldn't this post be directed at the developers of these out of game apps to create fake information when given a proper API from the server? Just note as soon as word got out that this developer did this to their app, people would quickly stop using that to verify people's API, and probably develop another app that pushes the right information to you from the API.

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Anthar Thebess
#11 - 2014-10-21 18:33:17 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner.
Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes.
You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.

I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void.


Then shouldn't this post be directed at the developers of these out of game apps to create fake information when given a proper API from the server? Just note as soon as word got out that this developer did this to their app, people would quickly stop using that to verify people's API, and probably develop another app that pushes the right information to you from the API.


So you have to talk to all developers, or just provide some back end from CCP API to do this kind of deception.
In RL people want , and defend freedom, and try to block all possible ways of how government can spy on them.

Yet in game they demand stuff they trying to stop in RL.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#12 - 2014-10-21 19:15:08 UTC
The whole point of the APi is clarity. If you inject this into the mix, it becomes pointless. Meaning no one would even bother.

No and tbh, I'm rather amazed you think this is a good idea. What?

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Anthar Thebess
#13 - 2014-10-21 19:27:20 UTC
So basically you have no objections about giving someone your email, credit card information and employment history?

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Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#14 - 2014-10-21 19:29:55 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Why should i need something like this ?

-1

Corporate Espionage and Awoxing spring to mind immediately. They would be a lot easier if you could fake your API data. Scams and selling items you don't actually own would be another way to make use of false data.

You can be a spy or thief without a fake API, it just takes some effort. There need to be consequences to doing such things, being able to provide a fake API with fake information would allow such activities without proper tools available for corps to detect such.

Also, it would completely F over the 3rd party development community.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#15 - 2014-10-21 23:11:47 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
So basically you have no objections about giving someone your email, credit card information and employment history?


Since when does the API key hand over your email and credit card information? That's the purpose of the API key, to share most/all information about your character with someone else, without you risking giving them your account information. If you are trying to get into a corp, and they require a background check, find another corp.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#16 - 2014-10-21 23:32:10 UTC
Not only no, but **** no. Abso****inglutely not.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
#17 - 2014-10-21 23:41:48 UTC
This would be great to add.... I can lie about all sorts of things... especially when selling characters.

Oh look, my new api has the Mittani is my alt.


Methinks this would be a bad idea and contrary to the purpose of the API. You want to lie, lie.... otherwise Trust but Verify has no meaning.

Let this idea burn in sheol.

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Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-10-22 00:00:18 UTC
Hahahah, Hahahahhahaha
hahahahhahhahhhhahahhahahha


no.

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Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-10-22 01:22:08 UTC
Honestly I love it. +1

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#20 - 2014-10-22 01:33:46 UTC
I think you meant to post this in the one-line bad idea thread.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

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