Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Disregarding the utter absurdity of your logical leap from "adding a stargate" to "removing solar systems", this would do precisely nothing. Jita is not special; another system would easily take its place.

I don't follow -- it's difficult to place blatant hysteria on the same shelf as my suggestion.

Uh, no. Adding travel routes to the universe is radically different from removing a single, specific solar system.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, technically they've already done the "Remove Jita" thing once, by rerouting hisec so people would stop amassing their market in Yulai. The only thing that happened was that the market hub changed name from Yulai into ... Jita.

Just because you can't see how to think strategically past the first minute of opportunity does not mean that caps would be useless. Sub-caps have been using gates since the beginning and somehow managed to not be useless as an offensive platform during roams, structure bashes, etc. That said, many ops are more flexible about time and allow the player to move into position at a leisurely pace. Even if the travel time during jump was about the same as for a battleship taking the gates between the same endpoints, I think that the delay in time would serve a substantial amount of good (though perhaps not quite enough to isolate the regions as much as CCP envisions).



I have never seen a US carrier group teleport from New York City to Okinawa, Japan in less than a minute (let alone 10s), so yeah. Distance and time both matter, and a delay is a healthy way to reduce the risk to all enemies within the region.

I have never seen a US Tank brigade teleport from Seattle, Washington to Moscow, Russia within 10s. Sov matters because large force have to move through and crush the resistance and infrastructure before they can just start parading in front of the Krimlin's doors like they own the place. In Eve, this is exactly what happens and furthermore, there is no fear of being cut-off, trapped, starved from supplies, and being over-extended from having moved too far into enemy territory (sov). Sov should matter but in Eve it does not!


"X" means what I want it to mean and that is the only way it makes sense. The other meanings, such as yours, do not make sense, simply because I said so. My example is "X", and your is example is not. Solid logic there.

Denying traffic to enemy ships in territory that you control makes about as much sense as anything can. Blocking friendly traffic in your own sov systems makes no sense whatsoever. There is no way that Russia would allow us to bring our B-52s and major armor right up to the front doors of Moscow, blow up anything that moved, and then allow us to withdraw everything without a strong fight during every minute of our movement both into and out of Russia's sov borders.

I guess you disagree with jump fatigue too then.

Delay is part of a game. If everything were instantaneous, there would be no challenge. With jumping, there is no challenge. With hotdropping, there is no challenge.

Removing off-grid boosting entirely? Sooner the better, infact.






Um. I think you're arguing your opponent's point for them. Better than they are infact. The thing that stops you taking your B-25s and armour and whatnot up to Moscow is the Russian military, not a wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey forcefield. If they want to stop your Capitalist Pig-Dog Aggression they need to move their Vast Conscript Horde (With Bears) to engage you. Likewise, the thing stopping someone parading around your Sov-Null is your armed forces. If they can't, that's your issue to fix, not CCPs'.

I accept your ad hominem as surrender.

yes, your ideas are so powerful and well-made that a posting call to arms was officially announced to oppose them

that sounds right

I have an idea, then. How about we just remove their ability to jump anywhere except via gates? That way the pilots'll be doing something for the time it takes them to get to their destination, instead of looking at a gastroscopy view of the ass-end of eve for an hour and hoping the guy they're going to "hotdrop" hasn't left or logged off 55 minutes ago, when their spies told them the cap fleet jumped in their direction. Or, better yet, jump, be told 2 minutes later that their jump's for nought because the guy(s) logged off, so now they have to sit there for 58 more minutes to be able to initiate jump back and wait another hour to dock up. At least with being limited to gates, they could turn back the instant they were told they were too late.

No, I'm going to stick to CCP's implementation, because it still limits long distance travel (or makes it a cockstab to circumvent) without limiting a defender's ability to ... well, defend, without having to know several hours in advance exactly where in their own space someone else were going to be. And it also still allows for a counter-drop which doesn't have to be coordinated an equal amount of time beforehand.


Interestingly enough, 5LY in eve wouldn't be the same as "teleporting from NYC to Okinawa", it would be more like being stationed on okinawa and getting to f.ex Tokashiki in an hour. Your suggestion would mean you'd take a week (or a month or more, we're talking about an action which, in eve, is measued as a success or failure by as little as a single server tick) doing the same thing.


Your idea is like Russia had a magic dome which automatically blocked the B-52s right at the border simply because they were from the "wrong country", whereas cynojammers work more like something which keeps the B-52s out because Russia's got efficient anti-aircraft batteries along their border, which is player-controlled and can be shut down/deactivated, either by a spy, by intent, or by force.

It doesn't have to be invincible. All that's required is the removal of the necessity to become immobile in order to provide max fleet boosts.