Wormholes

The difference is that in other areas of space there are many more entities that aren't part of the circlejerk and plenty of content that can be found and had in other areas. The dynamics are completely different, there are contests for space, moons, money that can and do happen in k-space, but don't in w-space because as freeman said, there is no driving lack of space or money.

It's stupid to compare w-space to k-space, the systems are completely different. You are correct in saying that the same thing has happened in k-space as has happened in w-space--this is player nature. I'm not arguing this. But the fact is that while both are a joke, WH's are more of a joke because there is literally nothing else, while in k-space there are many many many more avenues to get pvp and content out of than for w-space.

To each their own if you choose to stay in K-Space. It has it's appeals, Karl.

W-Space isn't strictly about W-Space conflict and you know this, Teen. I wish there were more W-Space content, but that doesn't mean that there's a total lack of content if it's not solely within W-Space. Null raiding has been quite popular for a long time and has attracted many long time roaming players and corps for the variety appeal.

Yes, and it just goes to show how little the w-space community actually cares about intra wormhole pvp. I would love if there was more content from CCP but I also think that if wormhole players stopped being so concerned about each other's opinion there could be a lot more content right now.

#breakupthebluebagel2014

edit: get it blue bagel instead of blue donut so people know it's w-space **** im clever thanks nan



I paid 420 bil, change your tune and I might pay you as well ))

Angst does make good points, but sometimes they're made with so much anger that it just comes off as a troll or rage. Lazerhawks, at least, cares enough about w-space to do something about it, and I'm not just talking about forum posts and in game channels. We like to shake things up, too, and see how the community handles it.

I don't think it's a good idea to rely on CCP to magic some content into exist for us. It's also unnecessary.

Just like N3PL and CFC (not aimed at you this time) could go create some content by going to war with one another, so could we by going and invading HK or something. Same issues; the people suggesting it don't have anything on the line, but more importantly, why?

This again applies to your argument that there's plenty of K-Space content but at the end of the day it's avoiding SOV content because that **** sucks right now. PL drops HERO/Provi instead and Major W-Space groups murder null carriers instead.

We could both blow up our respective worlds but there's almost no motivation to do so. This initiative still seems like the best bet to me, but I'm quite willing to listen to good ideas.

So, you're supporting the Blue Donut?

That's what I want to see around in w-space, I had some small thoughts about something similar to this long ago, but I was new to whs back then, and the group I was with was still growing... so I did not manage to make it more than just thoughts

I think the RvB model would work nicely ... would need some help from the more established WH-corps to get going. (and yes that means they would need to be blue for at least some amount of time to let them get settled).

Also with an agreement, that the larger corps would help save their ass's if some larger entity turned up wanting to spoil everyone's fun. (which lets be frank, could happen just to be spiteful)

It would need a couple of WH's finding, preferably with HS + "another" static .... to make it easier for people to traverse into and out of WH space.

Also in a RvB situation you'd need a HS static other wise you'd not fight each other all that often (at least until each had cloaky scanners in each others holes).

On top of this it would need a few people from the WH community to step up and help get it setup, also maybe from RvB's leadership as well for a little help.

And Yes, to re-iterate, there would HAVE to be a lot of blues set at first to help get this thing going, but once established all blues could be removed and then there is more fun for everyone. It would need a combined effort from the WH community to setup.

All in all I thinks its both doable, and a good idea!

just my thoughts.

Ha! Quafe shirt not showing. This works, too.

I like the concept of an RvB style conflict, but I am having some trouble picturing how it would need to be structured to actually work in w-space. It seems to me, and we already have a couple of these corps out there, that the entry requirements just be relaxed to allow anyone that wants to come play to be able to do so with minimal skills/experience. Unfortunately that opens up all the problems the high entry requirements have been put in place to avoid such as folks stealing corps blind. Lol. And with so many systems, how long would it take for any 2 given groups to bump into each other, particularly if they were in a low class wh? Seems no better than what we have now and in the end, more groups willing to do stuff would provide more content overall.