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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#21 - 2014-10-20 21:48:23 UTC
guys pls angsty is cool.

Stop hating because someone disagrees or isn't in a WH corp, doesn't mean opinions are invalid.

While it's a cool idea to get more people in, would you say this channel and helping them in general will make you more or less likely to fight them when you roll in?

What if they consistently deny you fights? Will you evict them?

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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#22 - 2014-10-20 22:52:06 UTC
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Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-10-20 23:10:22 UTC
In the brief period of time I've been in the channel, the majority of players looking to get into wormholes wanted to know all about the PVE so they could go bear in W-Space.

And that's fine.

More people in W-Space is good and more opportunities for interactions. Would these same people get evicted? Who knows, but I wouldn't want to. Evictions are a lot of work, bears rarely fight back with evictions, and their assets likely aren't worth the trouble.

So far the channel seems successful in getting people to ask questions and talk to people in the community. Based on last night, it needs better sub-C5 representation to help answer questions about what things are like there after the various changes recently.
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#24 - 2014-10-20 23:39:15 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
In the brief period of time I've been in the channel, the majority of players looking to get into wormholes wanted to know all about the PVE so they could go bear in W-Space.

And that's fine.

More people in W-Space is good and more opportunities for interactions. Would these same people get evicted? Who knows, but I wouldn't want to. Evictions are a lot of work, bears rarely fight back with evictions, and their assets likely aren't worth the trouble.

So far the channel seems successful in getting people to ask questions and talk to people in the community. Based on last night, it needs better sub-C5 representation to help answer questions about what things are like there after the various changes recently.


I've been on the channel as much as i can while online and keeping eye on it. Sure I'm a dirty low-classer but originally i came for some bit better PVE content and found my self enjoying the PVP aspect of wormholes way more and now its bulk of what i do most days, resolve chains to find targets and cause fights with good targets that are active and on. If and when i feel the urge to move on i doubt ill leave the w-space.
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Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#25 - 2014-10-21 01:16:05 UTC
So, anyone who wants to know what w-space is like, just read this thread. Go on, just read it.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#26 - 2014-10-21 01:55:52 UTC
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
The fact that our pubescent associate thinks that there is a blue donut displays his lack of understanding. Couple that with his schoolyard retorts and you end up in a position where he's probably best just ignored until we can get an ISD in here to delete his ideological diarrhea.

On the original topic: Anyone who's willing to help newbros will receive the full support of myself and my corp. I have and continue to ask for and receive guidance from others in this game. This transfer of knowledge is invaluable and helps to build the WH community as a whole.

I hope that this project is successful and we get more active PVP entities in WH space.



There is a blue donut, regardless of whether you deny it or not. It's exacerbated by the fact that your large C5/C6 corps just hoover up everybody because you're all scared of fighting in small gangs.

You realize you would have WAY MORE active pvp entities in w-space if you just stopped hugging each other like scared little girls in your home wormhole and spread out your players over many smaller corps living in the same area?

You want to win, nothing wrong with that, but asking for new people to come in at the same time while you're content to sit twiddling your thumbs waiting for somebody to find a group of escalation farmers so you can call all of w-space to come gank is a hoot and a holler indeed.

Also my main point in this thread was that Gunner GzR is dumb and shouldn't be in charge of teaching anybody anything, not the sad state of affairs of w-space which is already apparent to anybody with a brain.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-10-21 02:29:48 UTC
That's some mad bitter Suyer.

In every area of space, content creators are at a premium, and in W-Space there's not much low hanging content for people to grab if one of the content creators isn't around, so people tend to just log off, exacerbating the issue. PL itself does this exact same thing. Hoards FCs, planners, content creators, so that the strain isn't so great on a few and so that someone is always around to make things happen. So why did you go join them? This problem isn't unique to W-Space, it's just within it's own context.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#28 - 2014-10-21 02:50:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Klarion Sythis wrote:
That's some mad bitter Suyer.

In every area of space, content creators are at a premium, and in W-Space there's not much low hanging content for people to grab if one of the content creators isn't around, so people tend to just log off, exacerbating the issue. PL itself does this exact same thing. Hoards FCs, planners, content creators, so that the strain isn't so great on a few and so that someone is always around to make things happen. So why did you go join them? This problem isn't unique to W-Space, it's just within it's own context.


Exactly, the problem is that people in w-space are unwilling to become content creators, and there aren't enough currently. The problem is the people in w-space. The changes to w-space making it less favorable compared to other space doesn't help either, but we're not discussing that--I think we can all agree CCP needs to focus on making w-space a more attractive part of eve.

Also what does my corp/alliance have to do with this? I'm not making the claim that PL is better than all, some, or any wormhole corps. Also stereotyping is bad m8 but I'll allow it because it do it as well Oops; just because I joined PL doesn't mean PL is representative of myself nor myself representative of PL. You are right in some sense--if I was following what my previous statements said to the letter, I wouldn't be in PL, I'd be trying to start a small pvp corp. But conveniently, k-space has plenty of pvp opportunity without having to do this, so there is no need. W-space is a different story. As you said, "there's not much low hanging fruit".

All I'm trying to say is that if you want more low hanging fruit, you have to change the way the wormhole meta operates, barring favorable changes by CCP.

(Also I got a free super when I joined PL, u mad lol?)
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#29 - 2014-10-21 02:53:27 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Exactly, the problem is that people in w-space are unwilling to become content creators, and their aren't enough currently.

I agree with this. Didn't want to ruin it by reading the rest.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-10-21 03:06:12 UTC
This is a game, after all, so not many people are willing to put in what it takes to run a successful corp in EVE, not to mention when you enlist the help of directors and such there's the whole ~trust~ thing. Others, like myself, don't have the time. I've thought many times about making my own corp, but it'll failscade when I'd rather go drink at a bar than log in to kill those ratters someone tackled.

As for you and being in PL, it was solely to point out that skilled groups collecting content creators isn't a unique W-Space issue and we're all guilty of taking the easier path of joining groups that don't require us to carry all the weight sometimes. I know who you are and that you know your **** in W-Space as a player. Also, a free super is a pretty good reason, lol.

Anyway, this is the best initiative someone's come up with so far to try and encourage growth so if I can't start up a corp, I'll at least try to help others do it and support this in the process.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#31 - 2014-10-21 03:50:37 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
This is a game, after all, so not many people are willing to put in what it takes to run a successful corp in EVE, not to mention when you enlist the help of directors and such there's the whole ~trust~ thing. Others, like myself, don't have the time. I've thought many times about making my own corp, but it'll failscade when I'd rather go drink at a bar than log in to kill those ratters someone tackled.

As for you and being in PL, it was solely to point out that skilled groups collecting content creators isn't a unique W-Space issue and we're all guilty of taking the easier path of joining groups that don't require us to carry all the weight sometimes. I know who you are and that you know your **** in W-Space as a player. Also, a free super is a pretty good reason, lol.

Anyway, this is the best initiative someone's come up with so far to try and encourage growth so if I can't start up a corp, I'll at least try to help others do it and support this in the process.


You should be trying to encourage growth internally as well. That's my problem with the meta in w-space. There is no heavy conflict driver between large groups so there is no need for people to step and do stuff--instead they can just wait around for somebody with initiative to come along. Leadership is born out of necessity.

You actually have to get your corp to care about a conflict for this to happen--thats why the current wormhole circlejerk is such a joke, all fights between major groups are irrelevant because there is no major driver behind them.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#32 - 2014-10-21 04:05:15 UTC
It's tough to have a major conflict driver when we're not competing for resources or space. Sometimes space is fought over, though. Mostly, we're fighting just to fight.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#33 - 2014-10-21 04:12:38 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
It's tough to have a major conflict driver when we're not competing for resources or space. Sometimes space is fought over, though. Mostly, we're fighting just to fight.


And that's why I said you have to hate somebody in wormhole space. Feud can be a strong conflict driver. You're currently all up in each others pants nice and cozy though. That's the problem.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#34 - 2014-10-21 04:17:23 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
It's tough to have a major conflict driver when we're not competing for resources or space. Sometimes space is fought over, though. Mostly, we're fighting just to fight.


And that's why I said you have to hate somebody in wormhole space. Feud can be a strong conflict driver. You're currently all up in each others pants nice and cozy though. That's the problem.

And that's why I said you're out of touch. The difference between now and months ago is that people aren't raging about each other in forums anymore. There are feuds. One just erupted in form of an ADHC eviction. There'll be more. People are just being more tactful about them now.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-10-21 04:38:58 UTC
Major conflicts, those between major groups, are led by the best FCs and planners. I don't think that would encourage new people to step up, it would just motivate the capable. Evictions don't necessarily take breadth of talent, just depth. When I was in Bite Me, a very small handful of people ran the whole show but they were pretty damn good at it and it worked. Then the corp died when those leaders couldn't be on 24/7 anymore.

I don't think evictions are the way forward for wormholes. AHARM started W-Space off with that culture and from what I understand they believe that they are the "victims of their own success"...I think that was said somewhere. Anyway, wormholes need new blood in my opinion. New groups, new leaders, new people who don't know who all the vets are, don't care, and are just out to have their new adventure like we all did back in the day. I do agree with you that leaders can be developed but I disagree with you on how that will happen.

I don't think it helps our cause when wormholers chest beat about how dangerous wormhole space is and tell new players they'll die instantly when they set foot inside of a wormhole because we're all so dangerous and ~elite~. We all know that's not true. We need to help new people and corps get their footholds in W-Space, then help them transition if they want to go to higher class space. It's extremely difficult and unrealistic to expect a group to just settle into C5/C6 space then go jousting with the established groups.

Getting people to settle high class space is going to be a long term project, and luckily, the community is small enough that we might actually be able to agree on what it takes to do that.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#36 - 2014-10-21 04:44:23 UTC
Seriously, Angsty's blather gets left and my comment goes "missing". Lol. The offer stands to help new groups get established, no strings attached. Good to see the new helper channel as well. And again, Angsty's attitude is everything we are not, again, happy to be able to say that. Not a personal attack, rather a statement about perception and attitude of a larger entity. Every thread lately ends up the same crap so please be consistent, read the topic, and post appropriately. It is pretty clear what is "off topic' and needs attention thanks...

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#37 - 2014-10-21 04:45:38 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
It's tough to have a major conflict driver when we're not competing for resources or space. Sometimes space is fought over, though. Mostly, we're fighting just to fight.


And that's why I said you have to hate somebody in wormhole space. Feud can be a strong conflict driver. You're currently all up in each others pants nice and cozy though. That's the problem.

And that's why I said you're out of touch. The difference between now and months ago is that people aren't raging about each other in forums anymore. There are feuds. One just erupted in form of an ADHC eviction. There'll be more. People are just being more tactful about them now.


I think you're out of touch. The fact is that AHDC got evicted because they weren't part of the circlejerk because they weren't even playing. If somebody tried to evict LZHX or whoever, the defending party would call everybody and everyone--and they would all come. That's the problem--it's impossible to have any meaningful wars in w-space because the be all end all--eviction--simply will not happen.

I don't know why everybody believe eviction is such a bad thing anyway, it's good for w-space, it forces people to either break up their corps, restructure and come back stronger, or gives room for new leadership and content creators to do new things. It shakes up the status quo and that allows for much more dynamic gameplay. People who actually want to play in wormholes won't leave, the people who don't will. That's fine.

Hilariously, as proof to this point, evreybody involved in the ADHC eviction had a good time according to their thread, though I think they're all just delusional.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#38 - 2014-10-21 04:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Seriously, Angsty's blather gets left and my comment goes "missing". Lol. The offer stands to help new groups get established, no strings attached. Good to see the new helper channel as well. And again, Angsty's attitude is everything we are not, again, happy to be able to say that. Not a personal attack, rather a statement about perception and attitude of a larger entity. Every thread lately ends up the same crap so please be consistent, read the topic, and post appropriately. It is pretty clear what is "off topic' and needs attention thanks...


I am ON TOPIC thank you very much. I am educating new players on the problems of w-space. Not my fault you can't handle the truth.

Nash - have you considered that maybe my posts are the legitimate points and your posts are the blather?
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#39 - 2014-10-21 04:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nash MacAllister
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Seriously, Angsty's blather gets left and my comment goes "missing". Lol. The offer stands to help new groups get established, no strings attached. Good to see the new helper channel as well. And again, Angsty's attitude is everything we are not, again, happy to be able to say that. Not a personal attack, rather a statement about perception and attitude of a larger entity. Every thread lately ends up the same crap so please be consistent, read the topic, and post appropriately. It is pretty clear what is "off topic' and needs attention thanks...


I am ON TOPIC thank you very much. I am educating new players on the problems of w-space. Not my fault you can't handle the truth.


Um, yeah, keep the blather flowing... I couldn't care less about your perception, as off base as it may be, of the state of wspace. Your posts are far from on-topic, and filled with utter crap as it pertains to this thread. By all means, go start your own thread where nobody (once again) listens to you, and you can continue to feel important. Lol

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
Adarnof
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#40 - 2014-10-21 04:54:30 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
If somebody tried to evict LZHX or whoever, the defending party would call everybody and everyone--and they would all come. That's the problem--it's impossible to have any meaningful wars in w-space because the be all end all--eviction--simply will not happen.


And this differs from any other area of space how...? They'd show up for content which is severely lacking everywhere. This is no different than PL dropping by to say hi to literally any fight.

You know what's great about not having feuds? You can be assailing one group today and tomorrow go on a joint roam with them and brawl with someone else.