Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Or do what we do, have someone import them to deklein, inject them and never have to think about it ever again, as opposed to today's situation where we import them to deklein, and then the newbies have to sit there going "is this skill done yet? no? damnit, I have to wait 15 more minutes until I can inject that skill, and I really need that one for reasons. Now I have to sit here and watch that timer tick down while doing absolutely nothing, for no good reason."

As to what it adds to the game: quality of life.

Adding the ability to inject a skill without the prereqs present doesn't take away any planning, it only removes grind and unnecessary waiting for timers, just like the initial addition of 24 hours of skill queue did, and soon the addition of unlimited skill queue will do to an even greater extent.

Not saying that the author of this idea is all that good at planning ahead, but I do agree that injecting skillbooks could be nice even if you don't have the required skill set to train it. Mark it red or something so you can't train it till you meet the requirements.

Maybe the skill tree should be redone some showing skills that require a skill and what that skill unlocks. Kind of like a technology tree if you want rather than your big boring list of stuff you have right now. :P Like the ship version of the technology tree that we have right now. The ISIS.

I'm not a fan of skill books either, but I do see the value in its role as a ISK sink - although I think it would be at the bottom of a very long list of things that are ISK sinks, so removing skillbooks would probably have little impact.

The question that needs to be asked is 'does it add fun gameplay?' I'd say no. Having to go to a station, buy a skill book, try to inject it, find out you didn't read the prerequisites, buy another skill book, inject that etc... this is not fun and adds nothing to the game.

Inconvenient and tedious tasks are not interesting gameplay - removing said tasks is not over simplification either.

And being able to inject skills without having the prereqs trained in not going to change this. If a player does not read the prereqs they will still have to go back to the station to buy those skill books they missed.

To the response t an earlier post that these changes would be easy to implement I disagree. How easy or not this change would be depends entirely on the code and as players we have no idea what that code is. As I stated in my last post on the surface these would appear to be easy changes, being a programmer I know that what appears to be easy often is not.

Actually, what you're describing now is what they'll deal with with the current system, if CCP on the other hand add support for injecting skills where prerequisites have not been met, then it could be immediately obvious. You could have an indicator which is green for all prerequisites met, yellow for all prerequisites in the skull but not fully trained, and red for missing prerequisites. So it would be a quality of life improvement on two fronts: first of all you won't have to sit and wait for one prerequisite to be fully trained to inject a new skill which depends on that prerequisite, and second of all it'll be much easier to see when you're missing something so you won't get so many of those "oh bugger" situations.


As a programmer I'm going to just say that I see no reason why it should be hard. I assume they've got a table which is taking care of which skills are being trained on any given account, and a stored procedure which'll go through this table every tick and increase the SP appropriately, and fetch new skills when a skill finishes. While it's true that the fetching a new skill part of the code'll be more complex, we're not talking about an order of magnitude more complex. Quite the opposite.

The game in EVE Online is a dance between trying to get what you want and trying to keep other players from taking it away from you. Remove the distance to the objective, and you remove a slice of gameplay.

Skillbooks are a commodity and part of the game, everything working as intended.

Besides if I can make it across high sec with -10.0 status and 150 kill rights available against me.

Skillbooks are an old design within EVE that needs changing, Skillbooks basically restrict new players, and force them to remain near stations with skills being sold, with the changes to podding and travel this really only makes things worse.

Skillbooks should be removed from EVE.

You should be able to right click, buy skill, on your skill sheet.

Allowing this would allow new players to go anywhere in EVE without the need to remain near skills, will allow other players to train skills without the need to relying on empire space, or deep logistics.

Speaking of Fallacies, Why is Null any funner than Low or WH? or Hell Causing Trouble in High-sec when playing with wars, Ganking, and terrorizing mission runners? I mean Population wise (people not accounts) Low, High and WH Make up more of the population than do Null Residents.
Still Newbies should be not just in High-Sec. Other places are just as safe to be blunt, since CONCORD honestly is just there as vengance, not as protection. Even though if no one is in system, then guess what... no one can shoot you that's why null is a very good place for newbies, Low's Population Density is an issue for newer players, but leads to new players looking at local and D-Scan after getting blown up once or twice. WH, It's a wild place but if the newbie can adapt, they can overcome.

To The OP, Skillbooks are Small and lightwieght, and any good null group should give basic Skillbooks for free, if not then find another group.