Intergalactic Summit

Looks like I've been volunteered for positions unbeknownst to me, but I do appreciate the vote of confidence. As before, Arek'Jaalan project has my support.



Working on a large scale project isn't obviously your forte if you plan to throw your toys out of the pram every time someone suggest something you are not happy with. Have a blue pill and calm down a bit, I'm certain a compromise can be achieved that will benefit the project as a whole the most. You will have to learn to work with your enemies and people you despise if you aim to take part in this kind of undertaking. Ask yourself, Anslo, are you capable of doing so in the long run?

I would prefer to work on internal matters alongside Shaman Siikanen, it is more my forte. I would second mr. Caine, my associate miss Saskia or while I do loathe to say Anslo (provided he is capable to set aside personal issues for the good of the whole) for the external matters. Aside from that I will gladly take up the role that A'J community feels I will best serve the project in.

I think Hilen would be delighted to see his brainchild come to life once more.

You appear to be the only person participating in this discussion who is acting without any level of professionalism at the current time.

I don't know what happened to the version of you that was tolerant and patient with others, but that is the version of you that would be expected to participate. Not the version of you that spends a lot of time doing the very things you are saying Vincent has just done.

I also don't know what happened between you two to merit a kneejerk "me or him" response. I do know, however, that whatever it is or was, it likely pales in comparison to some of my negative interactions with him, and yet, am I playing such a card? No, because they aren't relevant to the project. Neither are any feelings I might or might not have towards anyone else on the project.

Personal crap is personal. It has no business being involved here.

The pram joke doesn't count cause it's Vince though, right?


That version got stepped on, back stabbed, used, abandoned, so and, and so forth. In other words, it's dead.


Because I don't give two tugs about the fights I forsee. But like I said, if I stays external, and he deals with internal, something he knows more about, then I'm good.


Good to know. Now if you'd get off your ******* high horse, our offer still stands. If you wanna ride it again, let me know so we can reconsider.

If there's any history to speak of, I am uninvolved and unaware of it, as Anslo, to my knowledge, not only was never involved with the original Arek'Jaalan project, but our social circles rarely intersect; the last time he or I saw each other was likely over a year and a half ago.

I also have zero involvement with the Security division (nor do I wish to be directly involved) and am not contesting anyone's candidacy for any positions there; I am merely pointing out that his attitude is not constructive and would likely impede progress within the project.

My work was largely contained within the Archiving and Documentation division, and will remain so for the foreseeable future. That is where I was comfortable working and was able to be productive, and that is where I will remain. I would, however, be willing to consider assisting in the Administration department, as I have extensive experience there, even if not within Arek'Jaalan itself.

I never said it was necessarily absolutely correct, just that it was based on my personal memory of the project - hence, "to my knowledge." I rarely worked with MRID outside of a few conversations with Darveses. (As an aside, however, considering my own level of involvement with the project, that I don't even remember your presence says something - and it's not that I wasn't paying attention.)

The latter half of the statement still holds true as far as I can remember, and my original point still stands. You're going to catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, and if Vincent's participation and presence is going to evoke reactions from you like the one several posts above, he's just going to continue to do so because it gets that kind of reaction.

As for what happened to you: as already stated, you and I haven't spoken or seen each other in quite a long time, since well before whatever happened to you happened, so kindly don't lump me in with the people who were part of it.

When Anslo referenced his "track-record" I was honestly waiting for him to blow up like this. Too bad I didn't bet on it.

-Eran

Anyways, as the OP requested, let's disregard who's to be trusted and who should fill what position at this point. That debate can come later. (Also keep in mind I'm speaking as someone who was not involved with A'J in the original conception and am just offering my opinion since this is posted on a public forums).

The question is about what divisions A'J requires. Security has been the main debate, though I'm not really sure why. A'J is a science endeavor not a militaristic one. If you want to flex your muscles there's plenty of places in New Eden to do so, let's leave the scientists to science, not war. So...

There should obviously be a division for Acquisition, as there apparently was before. Someone has to collect the stuff, chronicle it, and give detailed reports about first-hand encounters with whatever it is you....encounter. I also suggest there be an Archiving division (I believe this existed in the past too?) that's responsible for making the information easily accessible to A'J members and the public (later is most important I feel). Researching & Development is probably necessary depending on the spread you want to do. There was an organization dedicated to the new tech with the "Ghost sites", but sadly it's failed and perhaps A'J can pick up the slack there. Such tech required both acquisition and development and didn't lead very far as of now, but could blossom...

Beyond that, I don't see security divisions holding too much of a role in this, though it is still probably required on some level. With a public scientific endeavor, there's not a whole lot you need to safeguard beyond research materials and any unvalidated reports. Beyond that, the basic stuff that I mentioned before about internal security making sure that the proper safeguards are in order would be useful.

Now if you plan to go into Sleeper space and terrorize that ancient race again, I could see you needing some external security division but, unless there's some scientific goal you wish to accomplish with that then it's pointless, in my opinion (obviously, this is all my opinion).

Anyways, that's my kredit-fifty, probably more than anyone cared for.

-Eran

That's more or less the starting point, yes.
However, I made a few proposals in the previous posts, one containing a list of the old A'J divisions, and which ones I would vote to keep / dismiss.

I strongly encourage everyone to read my posts (particularly this one) and comment them, as they are so far the only formal structure proposal.

On a side note, all this bickering is saddening. I collaborate in, if not friendly, at least cordial terms with people who happened to kill a few of my previous bodies, which is always unpleasant - and dangerous.

I knew that with the need for restructuring, it was foolish to expect the new A'J to be ready soon enough to take part in the big race to study the new Sleeper behavior. But still, hearing with what ease Amarr-backed scientists cracked this problem and might very well make advances in terms of modular ship design very soon (according to a friend at Carthum)... It makes me wonder if I choose the right horse. Maybe we capsuleers are simply too powerful and individualistic by nature to achieve this kind of cooperation without an undisputed leader like Dr. Tukoss.

If I'd known what Hilen Tukoss would make, I would have had that fleet turn his freighter into a few light-seconds long smear before it ever entered Republic space, instead of escorting him. This second iteration seems no less prone to include every low life in New Eden. All that is missing is Silas and the Sanshettes.

Too late now. The damage was done a long time ago and I carry a good chunk of the blame for that. It's interesting to see how cancerous growths can look benign until they take root, but it's not my job to carve them out of the Republic anymore.