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The Importance of continued Commerce and improving miner operations

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-10-20 00:22:10 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Davinthan wrote:
Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom.

Then don't mine and instead leave it to the nullsec botlords?

Mining definitely needs an upgrade... but more in the lines of making it more active and fun instead of more save and boring.

WHY?

making mining more ative (ie, require more work) wont magically make more people want to do it, it in fact will make it less appealing to a majority of the players who do it already. If you dont like mining, then dont do it, quit trying to have it be changed to suit your needs, there are people who want a minimum interaction playstyle, chat with friends or watch a movie, get soem work done, etc, while playing EVE, why should they have their playstyle changed because groups made mostly of people who rarely mine now, and wont mine any more (likely less) after the "upgrade" say it should require more "activity"?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#22 - 2014-10-20 00:45:45 UTC
Davinthan wrote:
What are you thoughts? What?

I think you play this game too much like a job. You sound like a underclass worker who has trouble to sustain his family and not like a gamer who has a blast playing an interesting game in his free time. Something is wrong here.

Mining in EVE is probably the worst game "profession" in all of gaming. It should be replaced with something that's actually fun to play.

Evil RatKid
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#23 - 2014-10-20 01:04:32 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Davinthan wrote:
What are you thoughts? What?

I think you play this game too much like a job. You sound like a underclass worker who has trouble to sustain his family and not like a gamer who has a blast playing an interesting game in his free time. Something is wrong here.

Mining in EVE is probably the worst game "profession" in all of gaming. It should be replaced with something that's actually fun to play.



Replaced with what?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#24 - 2014-10-20 01:26:28 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Davinthan wrote:
What are you thoughts? What?

I think you play this game too much like a job. You sound like a underclass worker who has trouble to sustain his family and not like a gamer who has a blast playing an interesting game in his free time. Something is wrong here.

Mining in EVE is probably the worst game "profession" in all of gaming. It should be replaced with something that's actually fun to play.



Replaced with what?

I can't answer that. I am not a game designer and I don't try to be one.

Evil RatKid
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2014-10-20 01:42:17 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Davinthan wrote:
What are you thoughts? What?

I think you play this game too much like a job. You sound like a underclass worker who has trouble to sustain his family and not like a gamer who has a blast playing an interesting game in his free time. Something is wrong here.

Mining in EVE is probably the worst game "profession" in all of gaming. It should be replaced with something that's actually fun to play.



Replaced with what?

I can't answer that. I am not a game designer and I don't try to be one.


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ISD Alliance
#26 - 2014-10-20 12:19:24 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to Features and Ideas.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-10-20 12:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Viktor Fel wrote:
I seem to recall a time in EVE online when the golden rule of a mining fleet was never not have protection while you're out in the belts. There was another bit of wisdom that said never not have an escort and scouts when moving large ships through space via the gate network. This also, was a good example of best practices regardless of security status of any given system.
The vast majority of miner, missioner, and freighter losses in EVE are due to little more than laziness on the part of the player. AFK mining, AFK missioning, AFK ratting, AFK hauling half 1 trillion discourse of cargo with no escort through major trade pipe, etc.
The problem is and the ships, but the players behind those ships typically.

Mining would need to pay 100 Mil/hour in Highsec per pilot in order to reasonably expect an escort to spend their time in belt.
Otherwise the escort is making less than they could make doing any 'shooting red crosses' activity, or the miner is making nothing.

Calling it player lazyness when the game mechanics actively say it's a real waste of time escorting miners is silly.


This. Miners dont need what the op suggests. I say that as a miner. We could even handle running our boosts in grid with us in the belts, what we need is a drastic reduction to rorqual siege cycle time. Something like 60 seconds would be more than enough for the unattentive rorq boosters to get caught, and more than enough time for the ones with scouts up properly, to get to safety.

Saying that miners should have combat pilots escorting them in the belt is absolutely silly. For that to be worth doing, for that to be a profitable endeavour for all pilots involved, miners would have to be making SIGNIFICANTLY more isk than they are now. As it is, mining is among, if not the lowest income option for a pilot to engage in with 1 or 2 characters, compared to all the ways he could make isk as a combat pilot. And what is that combat escort supposed to do? Sit in the belt, and do nothing except shoot the rats every 15 minutes, waiting for enemies to show up in a small enough amount for them to take on? Not going to work.

OP is a little ridiculous on his suggestions, but people's rebuttals are just as bad in this thread.


Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Davinthan wrote:
Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom.

Then don't mine and instead leave it to the nullsec botlords?

Mining definitely needs an upgrade... but more in the lines of making it more active and fun instead of more save and boring.

WHY?

making mining more ative (ie, require more work) wont magically make more people want to do it, it in fact will make it less appealing to a majority of the players who do it already. If you dont like mining, then dont do it, quit trying to have it be changed to suit your needs, there are people who want a minimum interaction playstyle, chat with friends or watch a movie, get soem work done, etc, while playing EVE, why should they have their playstyle changed because groups made mostly of people who rarely mine now, and wont mine any more (likely less) after the "upgrade" say it should require more "activity"?


Prettymuch. "I'm not doing this activity now, but if you change it away from what the current usergroup enjoys, to satisfy MY wants, I might (but probably won't) do it."
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-10-20 12:41:12 UTC
Kazuma Ry wrote:
When I am mining, I make sure

2: I am always aligned to a friendly POS or a station.
.


Just going to fill you in on something here. When your ship is sitting completely still, it is aligned to everything. It is a 'bubble' in water, that does not form any directional facing, until it begins moving, so having it pointing toward something, when sitting completely still, is absolutely pointless.
Solecist Project
#29 - 2014-10-20 12:41:38 UTC
Rems Issus wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
My thought is that you are a liar,
because miners are not bored while mining.

They are either afk, tabbed out or chatting ...
... the occasional miners takes a glance at local once in a while.

kthxbye.


Sol, Sol, Sol... Et tu?

As a miner who is very much NOT AFK or tabbed out when in the field, I find it startling to hear experienced and sage personages such as yourself declare that no miners ever are paying attention.

Ha!

So you admit that you are not boring yourself! :)

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Rems Issus
Associated Descendants of Eve
#30 - 2014-10-20 14:27:35 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Rems Issus wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
My thought is that you are a liar,
because miners are not bored while mining.

They are either afk, tabbed out or chatting ...
... the occasional miners takes a glance at local once in a while.

kthxbye.


Sol, Sol, Sol... Et tu?

As a miner who is very much NOT AFK or tabbed out when in the field, I find it startling to hear experienced and sage personages such as yourself declare that no miners ever are paying attention.

Ha!

So you admit that you are not boring yourself! :)


I'm one of those boring types who legit enjoys mining. I've got a high-stress job and find that the nightly routine of stripping out a few belts of spacerock is very therapeutic and relaxing. Heck, I even get the fun of sorting out what needs to be built and restocked on my local home market once I finish reprocessing the ores! :)

I can see how others might get bored... But I don't.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#31 - 2014-10-20 17:39:24 UTC
Davinthan wrote:
Without ships there would be no EVE!

Without minerals no ships would be produced!

Without miners there would be no minerals!

There is talk about moving boosting our of POSs forcing command ships for mining fleets to require protection.

If this change goes into effect there will be a drastic reduction in ore production for each mining fleet would require a protection fleet.

Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom. If we need a protections fleet we need to encourage support and have to pay for that support.

If CCP is going to remove on level of protection y they need to give a level of offense. Here are a few options:

1. Allow Rorquals to fly fighters
2. Allow Hulks and Mac to have offensive weapons such as missiles or lasers.
3. Allow boosting while cloaked.
4. Provide a belt wide force field generated by a Orca or Rorqual.
5. Increase drone bandwith on mining ships to allow five sentry drones at once.

What are you thoughts? What?


My thought is that carebears have an overinflated sense of their value in New Eden. With that said, HTFU or GTFO.

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ISD Cyberdyne
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ISD Alliance
#32 - 2014-10-20 23:22:30 UTC
Removed some disrespectful comments and personal attacks. Please adhere to the rules. Thanks!

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Kazuma Ry
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-10-21 04:51:30 UTC
Arronicus wrote:


Just going to fill you in on something here. When your ship is sitting completely still, it is aligned to everything. It is a 'bubble' in water, that does not form any directional facing, until it begins moving, so having it pointing toward something, when sitting completely still, is absolutely pointless.


I understand that, but what being aligned helps with is that my ship only has to speed up and warp, instead of doing the slow alignment to my target, then speed up and then warp.

Even if being aligned saves me 1 second, that is 1 second faster to get out of a potentially hostile situation.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2014-10-21 05:04:44 UTC
Kazuma Ry wrote:
Arronicus wrote:


Just going to fill you in on something here. When your ship is sitting completely still, it is aligned to everything. It is a 'bubble' in water, that does not form any directional facing, until it begins moving, so having it pointing toward something, when sitting completely still, is absolutely pointless.


I understand that, but what being aligned helps with is that my ship only has to speed up and warp, instead of doing the slow alignment to my target, then speed up and then warp.

Even if being aligned saves me 1 second, that is 1 second faster to get out of a potentially hostile situation.


A ship sitting still is a ship sitting still. If you want to get away instantly then you have to be actually moving at at least 3/4 speed towards your warp out point.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#35 - 2014-10-21 05:43:58 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Davinthan wrote:
Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom.

Then don't mine and instead leave it to the nullsec botlords?

Mining definitely needs an upgrade... but more in the lines of making it more active and fun instead of more save and boring.

How about rorqual mining laser boosts for solo mining? Make it more soloable. Capital mining vessels. I always mine alone and I only have one account It bugs me that there TWO boosting ships but not a large mining vessel.
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