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Efficient POS take down
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Nakova Wilson
Mercatoris
#1 - 2011-12-13 17:32:33 UTC
Hello All,

Been looking into w-space pos take down and I had some questions:


  • Drones - Can ONLY sentry drones attack a pos? or can heavy drones as well?
  • Ammo/Lasers - It seems that using Amarr with T1 or even T2 (since they don't take up much cargo) is the way to go. Do pulse lasers do fine?
  • Shoot the guns? - if you can tank the guns, should you just let them shoot you? or should you try to take them out.


I thank you for your help, and if these questions are answered somewhere, kindly direct me there,
Best
Nak
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#2 - 2011-12-13 17:39:50 UTC
Not sure on the drones, so I will skip it :).

Lasers are good for afk shooting or saving on ammo; however, you can only do EM/Therm damage, so if the station is tanked for EM/Therm (or is a Minnie station), lasers can kind of suck. Projectile ammo is the most versatile, but will cost you the most and you have to pay attention to restarting after reload. If you want to save a bit, artillery has lower DPS but will save you some ammo. For our last POS assault, we had BRs dropping ammo for our Projectile BSs so they could continues to fight.

If there are so few guns you can tank them, no reason not to, unless:
- a POS gunner arrives and controls enough guns to be an issue;
- a POS corp member shows up and starts on-lining off-line units, increasing the DPS
- Both the above.....

Assuming that the tower has stront, you will have to come back and shoot some more, and it never hurts to have a few of the guns taken out in case they reinforce the defenses. If you hang around, you might even catch a few repping the guns.
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-13 19:12:54 UTC
When you attack a pos, you are attacking the control tower, not the force field.

Armed with that knowledge, assuming it is online, only sentries can attack the control tower, the others cant get in range.

Also, pulses will work fine, assuming you can sit at your optimal.
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-13 20:09:15 UTC
Nakova Wilson wrote:
Hello All,

Been looking into w-space pos take down and I had some questions:


  • Drones - Can ONLY sentry drones attack a pos? or can heavy drones as well?
  • Ammo/Lasers - It seems that using Amarr with T1 or even T2 (since they don't take up much cargo) is the way to go. Do pulse lasers do fine?
  • Shoot the guns? - if you can tank the guns, should you just let them shoot you? or should you try to take them out.


I thank you for your help, and if these questions are answered somewhere, kindly direct me there,
Best
Nak


Sentry drones are the only ones that can yes, just be careful to not deploy them too close to the shield edge or else they'll end up inside and can't fire.

There's no general best weapon type for POS takedowns. You want a lot of DPS and preferably the right damage type. Armageddons are well suited for POS bashes because of their high DPS (don't shoot POSes with Scorch) but the damage profile can be a problem sometimes. If it's a small gang shooting a big POS then ammo is a concern so lasers become preferable.

Shoot the guns? Depends on how many there are, if there are gunners, if you expect to be at the POS a long time etc. In general I'd say 'yes', guns go down pretty fast.
StefanKumansky
Public Embarrasment
#5 - 2011-12-13 22:22:42 UTC
Has anyone taken down a POS with Dreads since the change? long would it / did it take? how many seige cycles?
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#6 - 2011-12-14 00:27:49 UTC
Hamatitio wrote:
When you attack a pos, you are attacking the control tower, not the force field.

Armed with that knowledge, assuming it is online, only sentries can attack the control tower, the others cant get in range.

Also, pulses will work fine, assuming you can sit at your optimal.


Unless I've missed something, Optimal for large pulse is at best about 20 km, so how do you hit the tower?
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Horus Menvra
DREAD DOWN DREAD DOWN
#7 - 2011-12-14 06:24:36 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Hamatitio wrote:
When you attack a pos, you are attacking the control tower, not the force field.

Armed with that knowledge, assuming it is online, only sentries can attack the control tower, the others cant get in range.

Also, pulses will work fine, assuming you can sit at your optimal.


Unless I've missed something, Optimal for large pulse is at best about 20 km, so how do you hit the tower?


Tracking enhancers or tracking computers with optimal range scripts.

As far as the OP's question regarding taking down the guns - that's situationally dependent. If they have ECM batteries (other than sensor damps, since you're planning to engage up close), you should incapacitate them prior to hitting the actual tower.

As far as guns go, that depends on whether or not you can tank that DPS in addition to whatever fleet they can muster. Mind you, once the tower has been reinforced, turrets will still be able to fire (unless incapacitated) - so if you leave them online make sure you account for their DPS during your second attack.

It is important to note that once a tower is reinforced, no additional defenses can be anchored/onlined until the tower has come out of reinforced mode AND has been repaired up to 50% shield. Additionally, any and all POS mods requiring CPU will be offlined when the tower is reinforced.
Philip Flatline
Lousy T-Shirt Corp
#8 - 2011-12-14 16:47:08 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Hamatitio wrote:
When you attack a pos, you are attacking the control tower, not the force field.

Armed with that knowledge, assuming it is online, only sentries can attack the control tower, the others cant get in range.

Also, pulses will work fine, assuming you can sit at your optimal.


Unless I've missed something, Optimal for large pulse is at best about 20 km, so how do you hit the tower?

Use different crystals.
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-14 17:28:43 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Hamatitio wrote:
When you attack a pos, you are attacking the control tower, not the force field.

Armed with that knowledge, assuming it is online, only sentries can attack the control tower, the others cant get in range.

Also, pulses will work fine, assuming you can sit at your optimal.


Unless I've missed something, Optimal for large pulse is at best about 20 km, so how do you hit the tower?


notsureifserious
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#10 - 2011-12-14 19:14:27 UTC
Sadly I was serious ... sometimes I forget to think before I post, it's a side effect of the stork bringing me a one year old and being tired ...

with scorch range is 45 km exact, so you're essentially out of optimal and for conflag you're obviously out of optimal too, but for other crystals it all works fine.

Thanks for being polite in your pointing out my dumb,

AG
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!