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What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!!
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2011-12-13 18:28:42 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Teamosil wrote:
We just need another big null sec war so the nullsecers have something fun to do out there instead of hassling newbies out of boredom. If the alliances won't do it on their own, CCP needs to think up ways to make them fight. Make SOV cost more to maintain the longer you hold it, or make it more expensive the more of it you control to encourage the big alliances to break up into factions that might fight one another. Introduce rare, and very valuable, resources that appear just in one area of null sec for a while, then move somewhere else so they have a reason to try to take one anothers' space. Make capital ships cheaper, but require maintenance that steadily increases over the life of the ship so they have less of an incentive to keep them out of harms way. I don't know the solution, both those are the lines along which CCP should be thinking- how do we make more null sec wars.

The nullsecers are right that eve needs more pvp, but they are completely wrong about the kind of pvp it needs. We don't need more ridiculously unmatched pvp with experienced players piloting combat ships blowing up inexperienced players in industrial ships, we need more actual pvp where roughly equal opponents clash.


Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get. How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomesBig smile?



Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2011-12-13 18:30:58 UTC
I've lived in Null sec a few times. each time it was boring waiting for fleets to show up , flying the ships that the FC's want you to fly. a whole lot of hurry up and wait for not much action. You feel like you have to log on for any planned op. Everybody is competing for the battleship rats trying to make a little isk whenever you get the chance, mission agents if they are available at all are limited. Each time my corp or alliance was a renter from a larger alliance, which worked more or less for a short time but the renter arrangements usually end and you have to try to fly anything you have managed to take out there out through hostile space. Always have to coordinate supply runs for any thing you need to buy. My corp is out there again, I'm not with them, its just not worth the hassle. Give me a nice hisec war or factional war or a roam through some losec systems anyday. If you start limiting what ships I can fly or what modules I can equip on my ships, my gameplay because I don't live in Null-sec, screw you I'm taking my sub and I'm going home. No you can't have my stuff I'll sell it all cash out and give it to my corp.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2011-12-13 18:34:14 UTC
Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2011-12-13 18:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.


or largest blob which will block out the sun composed of high sec dwellers under the flag of skilled Fleet Commanders Big smile

Carebear fleet

Battleships 12k and counting
Logistics 2,5k and counting
carriers 1k and counting
support 10k and counting
Velicitia
XS Tech
#125 - 2011-12-13 18:56:00 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.


or largest blob which will block out the sun composed of high sec dwellers under the flag of skilled Fleet Commanders Big smile

Carebear fleet

Battleships 12k and counting
Logistics 2,5k and counting
carriers 1k and counting
support 10k and counting


so ...


you'll fight in the shade? Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#126 - 2011-12-13 19:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:[/quote]

Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable. [/quote]

I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get.
Mirima Thurander
#127 - 2011-12-13 19:52:50 UTC
what is the OPs main post in this threads point? at first it was a question, then it changed into an opinion , and ended in a rant.


All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#128 - 2011-12-13 19:57:34 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable.


I don't know that it is punishing them. Seems like that would be a good way to make null sec less dull. The most beneficial path should be aligned with the most challenging and fun gameplay. The problem right now, IMO, is that there isn't really anything for them to gain by doing anything hard in the game. They already control more systems than they really know what to do with, so no point in fighting each other. It just leaves them to try to kill time hassling nubs. IMO CCP should find ways to make null sec war have more of an impact on their bottom lines than hassling nubs does.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#129 - 2011-12-13 20:04:22 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
what is the OPs main post in this threads point? at first it was a question, then it changed into an opinion , and ended in a rant.



We are brainstorming here! Smile
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2011-12-13 20:08:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get.

This idea has been tried in the past with the introduction of big sov costs in Dominion (10 mil to cynojam a system a day, 5 mil a day for a jump bridge, etc). All it did was create large tracts of dead space where any 'small alliance' that tried to settle in got stomped on remorselessly. Just because they can't afford to control the system doesn't mean they're just going to go and let you have it. Null has yet to recover from the effects of depopulation and stagnation that arbitrary space-holdership costs introduced.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2011-12-13 20:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get.

This idea has been tried in the past with the introduction of big sov costs in Dominion (10 mil to cynojam a system a day, 5 mil a day for a jump bridge, etc). All it did was create large tracts of dead space where any 'small alliance' that tried to settle in got stomped on remorselessly. Null has yet to recover from the effects of depopulation and stagnation that arbitrary space-holdership costs introduced.


Give me back my sanctums. And you will see null flooded with carebears again Big smile
I dont have skills to probe.. so
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#132 - 2011-12-13 20:18:50 UTC
"What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!"

Play has they wish for the time they can spend on specialz boulz importantz internetz spaceshipz gamez
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2011-12-13 22:50:44 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
one way i can understand your point about reporting them or shooting them, but lets say there is a burglar operating in the neigberhood you are living in and one night he gets caught and it turns out to be your friend , do you call the police or do you let him go so he can continue to burgle the whole neigberhood clean

Wrong analogy. The right analogy would be, you find your friend in your house, do you shoot him in the ******* face then and there in case he is a burglar (what if your house was on fire but you hadn't noticed because you were asleep or what the **** ever? "Whoops. My bad. I'll buy you a new face.") or do you call the cops and tell them you know someone who might be a burglar so they can investigate and deal with the situation as necessary?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2011-12-13 23:01:53 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get.

ahahahahaha
hahaha
haaaahahahaa

I love it whenever this suggestion crops up, it's such a classic.

Yes, let's make SOV costs dependent on systems owned and blues lists.
- Huh, that's odd, there sure are a lot of alliances with very similar names with a holding corp and lots of systems.
- Oh hey, what's this weird thing they do of having just temp blues when fights are going down? That's odd.

Dragon Outlaw wrote:
How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomesBig smile?

"Hmm. That's odd. Where did all these NPC titans and supercarriers come from? It is a mystery."

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#135 - 2011-12-13 23:08:29 UTC
F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.

Yopp
Connaght Badasaz
Lewis and Clark Inc.
#136 - 2011-12-14 02:12:54 UTC
yopparai wrote:
F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.

Yopp


Not all that bright, are ya?

Take arrows in the forehead, never the back
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#137 - 2011-12-14 02:44:35 UTC
If nullsec is as a terrible as people say in that is boring and stagnating, then the best option would just simply let nullsec collapse and die.

When Nullsec is dead, CCP can clean out the mess and create a new and better nullsec and people can come back and create something new.

Just like how God cleansed the world with the Flood.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Thredd Necro
Doomheim
#138 - 2011-12-14 03:41:50 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
If nullsec is as a terrible as people say in that is boring and stagnating, then the best option would just simply let nullsec collapse and die.

When Nullsec is dead, CCP can clean out the mess and create a new and better nullsec and people can come back and create something new.

Just like how God cleansed the world with the Flood.


One does wonder sometimes.

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. - Douglas Adams
pussnheels
Viziam
#139 - 2011-12-14 05:46:50 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
one way i can understand your point about reporting them or shooting them, but lets say there is a burglar operating in the neigberhood you are living in and one night he gets caught and it turns out to be your friend , do you call the police or do you let him go so he can continue to burgle the whole neigberhood clean

Wrong analogy. The right analogy would be, you find your friend in your house, do you shoot him in the ******* face then and there in case he is a burglar (what if your house was on fire but you hadn't noticed because you were asleep or what the **** ever? "Whoops. My bad. I'll buy you a new face.") or do you call the cops and tell them you know someone who might be a burglar so they can investigate and deal with the situation as necessary?


umm, those are your views , sadly enough my english isn't that good to give a witty response , but my point was and still is that botting , either high sec mining bots or nullsec ratting bots is against the EULA and go against the spirit of the game you and I and many other love , we all know when left unchecked they can kill even the best MMO so it is the responsibility of us ALL to do something against them , no matter who the person is even if you caught your own ceo or alliance leader it is still your responsibillity to combat them , either reporting them or killing them over and over again

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#140 - 2011-12-15 00:30:00 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.


You shat your bed, now sleep in it.

Ni.