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whats the appeal of ganking miners?
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#61 - 2014-10-20 01:35:57 UTC
1upnate wrote:
like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.

anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?

just curious


there are always new players that need 20 mins of entertainment.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#62 - 2014-10-20 01:36:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:
They're bad at actual pvp.


Everytime you chestbeat like that, I just read your sig and laugh my ass off.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#63 - 2014-10-20 02:05:42 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content.
Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#64 - 2014-10-20 02:06:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content.
Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else.


Your character's expression is the realization dawning on him that he is about to become "content".

Or, to put it a different way, you once told me what it really is, and I have forgotten.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
stoicfaux
#65 - 2014-10-20 02:15:39 UTC
It's CCP's fault for creating a sandbox empire building game that isn't about ganking miners in null sec.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#66 - 2014-10-20 02:22:30 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
It's CCP's fault for creating a sandbox empire building game that isn't about ganking miners in null sec.



Nah, those guys aren't afk anywhere near as often. It's the illusion of safety that provides the complacency needed for ganking to thrive. If people weren't so dumb, CCP would have to buff ganking since you wouldn't be able to get it done with any kind of efficacy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#67 - 2014-10-20 02:50:00 UTC
The reason people gank?

Mainly because hisec rats are so feeble that the only ship in danger of dying from them is an afk Venture.

Great Chribba, without gankers, the only thing miners would have to watch out for is Incursion flash mobs!

Also, sometimes they drop the tasty loots, they do.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Myles Wong
The One's Who Matter
#68 - 2014-10-20 03:57:25 UTC
Because winter is coming.

Really, it's almost on top of us.Roll
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#69 - 2014-10-20 04:05:35 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Regnag Leppod wrote:
Schadenfreude

In english please! Twisted

Ha ! Sol clearly hasn't heard the much catchier English word Vicariouspleasurederivedfromwatchingyouropponentsuffering
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Straight

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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#70 - 2014-10-20 05:15:56 UTC
We are the hunters, miners are the prey. This is how the world works.

RIP Richard A. Butt
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#71 - 2014-10-20 07:08:17 UTC
that really depends on what miner ganking is for.

many gankers do it because of the rage induced within the victim that is later expressed either directly at the offenders or alternatively in public forum posts.
however the best gankers will also do it for the loot. killing a player's ship will more often than not provide a teward in the form of a wreck with items in it that previously resided within the now destroyed ship and anyone can steal the loot.
this is what makes ganking profitable when done right. with two characters logged in simultaneously, a ganker is able to not only offend a victim physically but also acquire goods from thevictim by having an alternative character("alt") remove whatever items that remain of the victim's ship.

and as a ganker I can say I thoroughly enjoy it for both reasons.

Everything's a game if you make it one - Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci

CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase - Frostys Virpio
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2014-10-20 07:18:27 UTC
OP, What's the appeal of staring at a thin beam of brightly colored pixels going from a picture of what is presumably a vehicle, to a picture of what is presumably a rock, getting a text message on your screen that some "cargohold is full", when it's only made of pixels and fantasy, pressing a button that says dock, which changes the pixels on your screen from a bunch of rocks to a big structure looking thing, whereupon you press a button that says sell, which causes this interactive object with text "wallet" to flash and increase number values from zero, whereupon the cycle repeats?

Whats the appeal for anyone to do anything with video games?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2014-10-20 10:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Viktor Fel wrote:
1upnate wrote:
like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.

anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?

just curious


It is said that inexperienced military leaders talk about tactics; while the experienced leaders speak of logistics. The wars between the null-sec power blocs are not only fought in null-sec. There is always a hidden war within the war whenever the major null-sec powers of the EVE online class with one another, and it takes place in high sec. Most of the noncombat space peasantry that populates high-sec fail to recognize the fact that they are part of this hidden war.

While the scale and scope of this hidden war continues to evolve alongside the wars in null-sec; the fact remains that every neutral freighter, jump freighter, and miner is a potential target simply because that character may be engaged in the financing or resupply of a hostile alliance or power bloc. An enemy cannot fight you if said enemy has nothing to fight you with or if the financial burden becomes too great.

These people for the most part, do not care who they are selling their goods and services to the so long a tidy profit is made. They may sell to the CFC, but they are just as happy to sell to N3, PL, Nulli and others. That makes them as much threat as it does friend in my eyes. So I do what I and able to mitigate the affirmation threat.

There is no malice in my actions, any more than there is malicious intent when a miner, manufacture, or freighter pilot sells his goods and services to corporations, alliances, or coalitions that are hostile towards goons or our allies.

It is simply the nature of EVE online as it is meant to be; violent and intriguing. I personally find it a bit amusing that the high-sec space peasantry gets so angry about something that they finance and supply constantly without regard for anything save their wallets.


In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?

"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".

Seem's like reasonable business, no?

Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#74 - 2014-10-20 10:24:21 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:

In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?

"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".

Seem's like reasonable business, no?

Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.


Huh? T1 ships trade at mineral value. No one has enough market power to actually raise their prices.
Lady Areola Fappington
#75 - 2014-10-20 10:27:03 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:


In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?

"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".

Seem's like reasonable business, no?

Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.



We say "wheels within wheels" kind of tongue in cheek, but it's true. Everything in Eve has a ripple-on effect.

I gank a miner. He buys a new mining hull from my alt. I funnel that money to nullsec alt for shenanigans. I lose my null fleet ship. I buy new ship. Ship made with minerals, mined by that original miner.

Most people only see their tiny corner of New Eden, and never really consider the big picture. In the end, the big picture is what makes Eve so awesome.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-10-20 10:28:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:

In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?

"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".

Seem's like reasonable business, no?

Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.


Huh? T1 ships trade at mineral value. No one has enough market power to actually raise their prices.



Executioners used to go for 80k, Punishers for 180k. Now they go for 300-350k, and although moving average is steadily declining, there's starting to be an upswing in buys of them again.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Steve WingYip
Doomheim
#77 - 2014-10-20 11:45:07 UTC
1upnate wrote:
like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.

anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?

just curious


If miners were not ganked, the price of mining barges would drop so much.
Memran
F.U.N. Inc.
The Ancients.
#78 - 2014-10-20 13:56:09 UTC
To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.

:D
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#79 - 2014-10-20 13:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content.
Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else.


Your character's expression is the realization dawning on him that he is about to become "content".

Or, to put it a different way, you once told me what it really is, and I have forgotten.
Heh I've given many reasons for Jonah's facial expression, including "I looked at /b/", "I kissed a Goon and I liked it", "You call that a spaceship?", various forum stupidity, ALODs and this.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Turelus
Utassi Security
#80 - 2014-10-20 14:04:36 UTC
I think it's mostly down to the fact it can be done and it upsets people.

There are many people in online gaming looking to upset or grief others, EVE Online being the dark place that it is without rules in place to stop it (like other games) means people will go ahead and do it.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security