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The Importance of continued Commerce and improving miner operations

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Davinthan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-10-19 20:54:43 UTC
Without ships there would be no EVE!

Without minerals no ships would be produced!

Without miners there would be no minerals!

There is talk about moving boosting our of POSs forcing command ships for mining fleets to require protection.

If this change goes into effect there will be a drastic reduction in ore production for each mining fleet would require a protection fleet.

Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom. If we need a protections fleet we need to encourage support and have to pay for that support.

If CCP is going to remove on level of protection y they need to give a level of offense. Here are a few options:

1. Allow Rorquals to fly fighters
2. Allow Hulks and Mac to have offensive weapons such as missiles or lasers.
3. Allow boosting while cloaked.
4. Provide a belt wide force field generated by a Orca or Rorqual.
5. Increase drone bandwith on mining ships to allow five sentry drones at once.

What are you thoughts? What?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-10-19 20:58:38 UTC

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3 - 2014-10-19 21:03:52 UTC
Davinthan wrote:


Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom.


I think you found your problem right there in your OP.

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Solecist Project
#4 - 2014-10-19 21:07:58 UTC
My thought is that you are a liar,
because miners are not bored while mining.

They are either afk, tabbed out or chatting ...
... the occasional miners takes a glance at local once in a while.

kthxbye.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-10-19 21:08:42 UTC
Davinthan wrote:
Miners work often alone it is a thankless job with long hours of boredom.

Then don't mine and instead leave it to the nullsec botlords?

Mining definitely needs an upgrade... but more in the lines of making it more active and fun instead of more save and boring.
Solecist Project
#6 - 2014-10-19 21:08:49 UTC
And lol belt wide force field.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2014-10-19 21:08:50 UTC
Mining does need something. This isn't it.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-10-19 21:22:39 UTC
I seem to recall a time in EVE online when the golden rule of a mining fleet was never not have protection while you're out in the belts. There was another bit of wisdom that said never not have an escort and scouts when moving large ships through space via the gate network. This also, was a good example of best practices regardless of security status of any given system.

The vast majority of miner, missioner, and freighter losses in EVE are due to little more than laziness on the part of the player. AFK mining, AFK missioning, AFK ratting, AFK hauling half 1 trillion discourse of cargo with no escort through major trade pipe, etc.

The problem is and the ships, but the players behind those ships typically.


Who is Viktor Fel?

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Davinthan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-10-19 21:39:10 UTC
Abrazzar, your ideas are too broad and need focus so that developers can produce a change that would be effective.

In American history miners formed camps to protect their claims and armed themselves. I am only suggesting some small changes that would enable this.
Rems Issus
Associated Descendants of Eve
#10 - 2014-10-19 21:51:39 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
My thought is that you are a liar,
because miners are not bored while mining.

They are either afk, tabbed out or chatting ...
... the occasional miners takes a glance at local once in a while.

kthxbye.


Sol, Sol, Sol... Et tu?

As a miner who is very much NOT AFK or tabbed out when in the field, I find it startling to hear experienced and sage personages such as yourself declare that no miners ever are paying attention.

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2014-10-19 21:56:20 UTC
Lol good one. You had me for a minute.
Serene Repose
#12 - 2014-10-19 22:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
How are you going to provide the adolescent, and arrested development among us their cheap thrills and gurgling YUKS if you provide fairness and proportion to MINER GANKING??? You MUST know the whole game is FOR THESE TWO GROUPS OF CHILDREN! Where have you been? CCP is the ruler of their play pen!
(Just let them drink and they're all grown up like!)

Go management by Jaeger!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#13 - 2014-10-19 22:04:04 UTC
Viktor Fel wrote:
I seem to recall a time in EVE online when the golden rule of a mining fleet was never not have protection while you're out in the belts. There was another bit of wisdom that said never not have an escort and scouts when moving large ships through space via the gate network. This also, was a good example of best practices regardless of security status of any given system.
The vast majority of miner, missioner, and freighter losses in EVE are due to little more than laziness on the part of the player. AFK mining, AFK missioning, AFK ratting, AFK hauling half 1 trillion discourse of cargo with no escort through major trade pipe, etc.
The problem is and the ships, but the players behind those ships typically.

Mining would need to pay 100 Mil/hour in Highsec per pilot in order to reasonably expect an escort to spend their time in belt.
Otherwise the escort is making less than they could make doing any 'shooting red crosses' activity, or the miner is making nothing.

Calling it player lazyness when the game mechanics actively say it's a real waste of time escorting miners is silly.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2014-10-19 22:36:54 UTC
Eve seems to have survived the buff to barges pretty well. Good job highsec

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#15 - 2014-10-19 22:50:08 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
My thought is that you are a liar,
because miners are not bored while mining.

They are either afk, tabbed out or chatting ...
... the occasional miners takes a glance at local once in a while.

kthxbye.



Though I am more of an industrialist and not a miner....i tend to teach others what i do in the belts...that is better efficiency being @KB, use survey scanner to pull lasers when appropiate(will increase minig effeciency), have d-san open and set to pvp, pay attention as to whom is a normally seen local in the system, pay attention to everyone that enters/leaves local chat, check bios, ensure certain groups/toons are appropiately marked,

Details!!!

Pay attention to details!!
Stay ALive!!

but i will agree I am definitely not bored when in a belt....especially when not in my home system....gathering intel can be a chore.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2014-10-19 23:03:04 UTC
My thoughts?

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Kazuma Ry
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-10-19 23:37:05 UTC
When I am mining, I make sure
1: I am not afk
2: I am always aligned to a friendly POS or a station.
3: My drones can handle any Belt rats
4: I am paranoid of any Player that enters the belt and are not in a Mining ship, and even then, I am still Paranoid.

Unless your Protection Fleet in the belt with you is an Alt account, there is no amount of Isk you can pay someone to baby sit you on the off chance that someone is coming in to gank you. They would get bored and probably gank you themselves.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-10-19 23:41:40 UTC
Davinthan wrote:

There is talk about moving boosting our of POSs forcing command ships for mining fleets to require protection.


Is there? I sure hope so, you shouldn't get to be special snowflakes, you lot are bad enough about that already.


Quote:

If this change goes into effect there will be a drastic reduction in ore production for each mining fleet would require a protection fleet.


Good.


Quote:

If CCP is going to remove on level of protection y they need to give a level of offense. Here are a few options:

1. Allow Rorquals to fly fighters
2. Allow Hulks and Mac to have offensive weapons such as missiles or lasers.
3. Allow boosting while cloaked.
4. Provide a belt wide force field generated by a Orca or Rorqual.
5. Increase drone bandwith on mining ships to allow five sentry drones at once.


No to all. If you want offensive power, fly a combat ship. Every single one of those suggestions is 100% unacceptable.

Quote:

What are you thoughts? What?


You're nuts. And you're vastly overestimating your importance to the game at large, as well. If they do finally require Mining boosts to be outside of POS shields, it will barely effect anything, and the more resourceful of you miners (I know, I know, stop laughing) will continue unabated.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#19 - 2014-10-19 23:42:33 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Calling it player lazyness when the game mechanics actively say it's a real waste of time escorting miners is silly.


Yeah, God forbid that you have to make tradeoffs of any kind... Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-10-19 23:51:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Davinthan wrote:

There is talk about moving boosting our of POSs forcing command ships for mining fleets to require protection.


Is there? I sure hope so, you shouldn't get to be special snowflakes, you lot are bad enough about that already.


Quote:

If this change goes into effect there will be a drastic reduction in ore production for each mining fleet would require a protection fleet.


Good.


Quote:

If CCP is going to remove on level of protection y they need to give a level of offense. Here are a few options:

1. Allow Rorquals to fly fighters
2. Allow Hulks and Mac to have offensive weapons such as missiles or lasers.
3. Allow boosting while cloaked.
4. Provide a belt wide force field generated by a Orca or Rorqual.
5. Increase drone bandwith on mining ships to allow five sentry drones at once.


No to all. If you want offensive power, fly a combat ship. Every single one of those suggestions is 100% unacceptable.

Quote:

What are you thoughts? What?


You're nuts. And you're vastly overestimating your importance to the game at large, as well. If they do finally require Mining boosts to be outside of POS shields, it will barely effect anything, and the more resourceful of you miners (I know, I know, stop laughing) will continue unabated.


And you're in charge of the game. lolz
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