Crime & Punishment

I know the individual pilots - I happen to be something of an expert on this. Whoever grabs the loot gets it, some people choose to invest back in CODE, but that is at their discretion.

The loot goes towards more ships. We're usually doing this on gank alts or pvp alts.
If you want to gank for profit, belligerent undesirables still does it that way.

I heard that a week or two ago one freighter dropped 20 bill in High sec and the loot was split 50/50 between Loyalanon and one other guy who rounded up alot of F1 monkeys willing to make the co-ordinators plenty of isk with their game time. I wish I had the charisma to put together my own army of 'bots' to make myself isk like that!

Freighter revenue is rolled into new ships for freighter ganking, and currently profits are being funneled into share purchases.

All isk goes back into the code, either replacement ships, shares in the new order.

I understand the point you are making. Everyone involved is happy, so why question it. Allow me to use a real-world analogy to explain what I am saying here.

Say for example a popular charity is soliciting funds to "do good" by saving children from starvation in Africa. You listen to their shpeel on TV and decide to send them $5/month on a subscription basis. In the ad, it is clearly implied that your donation would be used to help children, not to make some CEO rich. Later, an investigation is launched and it turns out that 70% of donations actually go to buy the charity's CEO private jets, mansions, etc. etc. even though all of the donors assumed that most of their donation would go toward helping children. Charges are issued against the CEO, claiming he engaged in fraud. During the trial, the CEO makes the following arguments:

1) His charity did, in fact, help many many children in Africa.
2) Until the charges were filed, no one knew about his diversion of funds, and all donors were happy with the arrangement.
3) Donors never expected to get their money back, so nothing was actually stolen.
4) Many donors are still quite happy, because children were helped, and they state loudly their support of the charity and CEO despite the "fraud" being alleged.
5) He never said he wasn't keeping a lot of the money for himself, only that he would help children in Africa, which he did.
6) He never "packed it all up and ran", and instead kept his operation going until interrupted by his arrest.

Of course, he would still be convicted of fraud in such a case, because despite all of his points, the fact that remains that donors were mislead, and his ignoble goal was clearly to make money, not to help people.

So really this boils down to the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, legitimate business and scam. The situation is analogous to CODE because most supporters of CODE assume that their donations are used to buy ships used to gank. If it turned out this was not true, it would constitute fraud, and I think most donors indeed would feel cheated, and rightfully so.

Welcome to pretty much every major charity in the world today, "administration" soaks up a far greater percentage of donations than the people the charity professes to help ever see.

Calling yourself an expert does not make you one. Expert implies that you have some expertise or experience in the field you claim to be an expert in, historically you have shown no expertise at anything other than posting bollocks on the forums.

FYI the dictionary definition of expert is as follows
Expert
noun
1.
a person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.

1.
having or involving a great deal of knowledge or skill in a particular area.


You fit neither category.

Um, wow, no.

Quite the opposite in fact. The pilots who gank the freighters do NOT share in the loot. The loot, is NOT shared with the gank pilots but instead, allegedly, goes to make up the deficit between donations and ISK expended reimbursing gank catalysts.

Can you quote even a single person in this thread alleging that CODE gank pilots get a share of the loot? I mean, not counting getting a replacement ~1m gank cat?

Out of the 90.5 % that "goes" into the program, how much is then removed from the pot by local "administration costs" and bribes, theft of aid, protection details for the people on the ground in war zones etc.? The official figures only ever tell part of the story.

Which would mean it was not CODE gank pilots getting a share of the loot.

Reading comprehension please.

I enforce the CODE.

"Reading comprehension please"..

****.

So you have no evidence to back your allegation.

And since you are the one making it, the onus is on you to back up your "speculative discussion". So this is me, dismissing your unsubstantiated tin-foil-lined allegations.

Perhaps in the real world, but I don't think you are correct in this case. People supporting the New Order are either true believers who are fully on board with the cause and will overlook at least a modest amount of corruption/mismanagement as long as they are having fun, or are, to paraphrase CCP Falcon, the type who "just want to watch the world burn".

If you hire an arsonist to burn down your neighbour's farmhouse, you probably aren't going to ask for receipts for the gasoline as long as the job gets done. And James 315 seems to be getting the job done.