Crime & Punishment

If James (and possibly other managers) are embezzling a large portion of CODE's profits for their own personal wallets, then in my opinion CODE is a scam.

The question of whether CODE donors and CODE pilots who do not receive a share of the loot "care" about this fact is inconsequential. But in reality, I think many of them would be disillusioned to discover this, regardless of what some of the more dedicated CODE fanboys (or the profiting management) in the forums would say. I think most of them buy into the assumption that the ISK they donate, and the loot they forgo, will be used exclusively for the purpose of buying ships to explode in suicide ganks. If that were to be "not exactly the truth", I doubt they would be so generous.

CODE could very well be a "long con", started with the primary purpose of fattening their personal wallets by siphoning large chunks of the treasury out of the corp wallet under the guise of "far more reimbursements than you would imagine". A CEO doing this would hardly be a novel idea, as it happens all the time in Eve.

Without a full API, there's no transparency. Without transparency, you have the potential for abuse. And considering James' past exploits, I think it's a fair estimation that this is exactly what is happening.

There are plenty of historical examples of hundreds of people happily marching to the tune of a charismatic pied piper, giving him everything they own in exchange for a personal sense of relevance. Especially in a religious context. Just sayin',

You are the one making the point so the onus is on you to provide evidence. I knew my compatriot called it right when she said we don't want you. You're so terrible you wouldn't fit in with FCON or SMA.



Your opinion does not matter either so I guess the thread is done now?

No one ever said Eve was safe.

Code is just bored Goon alts.

Not many would leave, TBH. It's considered a good thing to be able to fund your ganking on your own dime. Most people only use the SRP at first to keep ganking. Every ganker I knew bankrolled their own ships, and left the SRP fund for "new guys ganking".

So Code discourages the rank and file from using the srp further increasing the profit for management?

This makes no sense without the aid of recreational drugs, would you be willing to share yours?

I can't take it anymore.

Q: Who gets the loot from ganking freighters?

A: The pilots who ganked it.

9 motherfucking pages for that?

I understand the point you are making. Everyone involved is happy, so why question it. Allow me to use a real-world analogy to explain what I am saying here.

Say for example a popular charity is soliciting funds to "do good" by saving children from starvation in Africa. You listen to their shpeel on TV and decide to send them $5/month on a subscription basis. In the ad, it is clearly implied that your donation would be used to help children, not to make some CEO rich. Later, an investigation is launched and it turns out that 70% of donations actually go to buy the charity's CEO private jets, mansions, etc. etc. even though all of the donors assumed that most of their donation would go toward helping children. Charges are issued against the CEO, claiming he engaged in fraud. During the trial, the CEO makes the following arguments:

1) His charity did, in fact, help many many children in Africa.
2) Until the charges were filed, no one knew about his diversion of funds, and all donors were happy with the arrangement.
3) Donors never expected to get their money back, so nothing was actually stolen.
4) Many donors are still quite happy, because children were helped, and they state loudly their support of the charity and CEO despite the "fraud" being alleged.
5) He never said he wasn't keeping a lot of the money for himself, only that he would help children in Africa, which he did.
6) He never "packed it all up and ran", and instead kept his operation going until interrupted by his arrest.

Of course, he would still be convicted of fraud in such a case, because despite all of his points, the fact that remains that donors were mislead, and his ignoble goal was clearly to make money, not to help people.

So really this boils down to the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, legitimate business and scam. The situation is analogous to CODE because most supporters of CODE assume that their donations are used to buy ships used to gank. If it turned out this was not true, it would constitute fraud, and I think most donors indeed would feel cheated, and rightfully so.

Um, wow, no.

Quite the opposite in fact. The pilots who gank the freighters do NOT share in the loot. The loot, is NOT shared with the gank pilots but instead, allegedly, goes to make up the deficit between donations and ISK expended reimbursing gank catalysts.

Can you quote even a single person in this thread alleging that CODE gank pilots get a share of the loot? I mean, not counting getting a replacement ~1m gank cat?