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Reselling: Ripping off others and Provoking Karma
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#21 - 2014-10-12 16:59:41 UTC
Is my reputation crappy?

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Big Lynx
#22 - 2014-10-12 20:18:32 UTC
Zahara Cody wrote:
Is my reputation crappy?

YES
Seifer Fontaine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-10-12 23:30:56 UTC
The only karma I get from ripping off people is lots of ISK Big smile
Lord Shadowspawn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-10-13 02:12:48 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Zahara Cody wrote:
Is my reputation crappy?

YES


That sucks.
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#25 - 2014-10-14 23:41:50 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I am of the opinion that the way you act in game is telling of your morals and thinking outside of game. If you default to scamming in game and enjoy peoples suffering then I wouldn't rush to trust you outside of the game.


A big +1 on this
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#26 - 2014-10-15 01:36:26 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I am of the opinion that the way you act in game is telling of your morals and thinking outside of game. If you default to scamming in game and enjoy peoples suffering then I wouldn't rush to trust you outside of the game.


A big +1 on this


I agree, hopefully they criminalize these sorts of acts soon, podding is akin to murder and those committing such an atrocity should be tried for it just as they would on earth Roll.

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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#27 - 2014-10-15 02:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dream Five
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Dream Five wrote:
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I am of the opinion that the way you act in game is telling of your morals and thinking outside of game. If you default to scamming in game and enjoy peoples suffering then I wouldn't rush to trust you outside of the game.


A big +1 on this


I agree, hopefully they criminalize these sorts of acts soon, podding is akin to murder and those committing such an atrocity should be tried for it just as they would on earth Roll.


Nah i was thinking more like having all alts of the same owner (on all accounts) publicly known so that it's harder to have a scammer alt and a combat alt in a legit corp behaving like a trustworthy player. Nothing wrong with podding btw you are making a strawman fallacy here out of my +1 and OP.

So that all criminals/ill behaved individuals can be segregated into 'evil' corps/alliances hehehe That would be some good reason to wage a war in EVE. Good vs evil/scammers/cheaters/thiefs/unsportsmanlike individuals with poor ethic/standards. Those guys who scam in jita and try to get people to rage out on comms to post it on youtube later. Indeed someone you'd rather not trust in real life and certainly wouldn't want to have anything in common.

Such poor taste.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#28 - 2014-10-15 20:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Just like video games don't make people commit murder, criminals don't roleplay crimes in a video game, they commit them. It's a sandbox game and you're welcome to play the villain (in the sandbox), that alone says nothing about you as a person.

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#29 - 2014-10-15 22:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dream Five
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Just like video games don't make people commit murder, criminals don't roleplay crimes in a video game, they commit them. It's a sandbox game and you're welcome to play the villain (in the sandbox), that alone says nothing about you as a person.


I guess i see what you are saying and that's one way to look at it but when it spills into stuff like actually humiliating players with follow up hate and tear collection, to me that's a clear sign of a shaity human being on the other end of the wire.

In any reasonable sport such behavior is a bannable offense. It's an offense partially because it makes this sport a poor show. I think scammers make EVE a poor show, i'm personally oftentimes disgusted and wonder why i keep playing. There's just about enough scum in real life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsportsmanlike_conduct

I realize that EVE is not a sport (in a sense that it's not about fair fights) but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

I guess scamming doesn't qualify as unsportsmanlike conduct in this sense because it's "by the rules" but clearly someone inclined to scam should not be trusted in your corp. Ie "i only scam on my alt and in this corp i'm an honest guy" just doesn't fly. It's about the personality of the player behind the keyboard. Once a scammer always a scammer and can't be trusted (unless you are stupid enough to trust a known prior scammer).

Anyway there's no point trying to convince anyone that scammers are the bottom of the barrel in EVE. It's fairly obvious. You either already agree with it or you have some elaborate excuse for it.

Ayway i'm personally having a hard time being sympathetic or understanding to scammers.

High five for ripping off your corpmates and taking years of their labor, that's just not right.

There's enough realpolitik in real life and people are mostly disgusted by it, why have a game about it? Gross?
Big Lynx
#30 - 2014-10-16 16:00:00 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Just like video games don't make people commit murder, criminals don't roleplay crimes in a video game, they commit them. It's a sandbox game and you're welcome to play the villain (in the sandbox), that alone says nothing about you as a person.


This. In rl I sleep under a bridge with my notebook as pillow. In EvE I am selfmade trillionaire. I wish it would be the opposite.
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#31 - 2014-10-16 17:57:41 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Just like video games don't make people commit murder, criminals don't roleplay crimes in a video game, they commit them. It's a sandbox game and you're welcome to play the villain (in the sandbox), that alone says nothing about you as a person.


This. In rl I sleep under a bridge with my notebook as pillow. In EvE I am selfmade trillionaire. I wish it would be the opposite.


Peanut butter and struggle sandwiches

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#32 - 2014-10-19 09:50:07 UTC
Wraymond Arji wrote:
Karma is a joke.


Karma per se may be totally irrelevant, but what goes around COMES around and you always end up paying (sooner or later) for the wrongs you have done.

Sometimes - and even often times, life tests us.

You may succeed or fail at the test but how you succeed or fail depends on you, totally.

Many a men failed in many venues (me included) but it's very different - and seen by everybody - to have tried, to have fought till the end, OR give up and close down into a never ending thumb suckling and tears dropping.

Is it karma? No. But it's about being a certain kind of man... or another. And THAT exists. And everybody see it.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#33 - 2014-10-19 09:53:09 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Just like video games don't make people commit murder, criminals don't roleplay crimes in a video game, they commit them. It's a sandbox game and you're welcome to play the villain (in the sandbox), that alone says nothing about you as a person.


This. In rl I sleep under a bridge with my notebook as pillow. In EvE I am selfmade trillionaire. I wish it would be the opposite.


If that was even true, then you live under a bridge because you believe you are so little worth that you self-condemn yourself at acting in a way that shall lead you to live under a bridge.

People can and DO fall, some don't give up and stand up again and fight till the sweet or bitter end. The others consciously or unconsiously self believe to not deserve a second chance and just sit down and wait for the end to come.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#34 - 2014-10-19 10:55:13 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Wraymond Arji wrote:
Karma is a joke.


Karma per se may be totally irrelevant, but what goes around COMES around and you always end up paying (sooner or later) for the wrongs you have done.


Confirmation bias. Bad things will happen to you eventually, and when they do happen, your mind rationalises something bad you've done in the past as the reason. Which is totally bull.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Sometimes - and even often times, life tests us.

You may succeed or fail at the test but how you succeed or fail depends on you, totally.

Many a men failed in many venues (me included) but it's very different - and seen by everybody - to have tried, to have fought till the end, OR give up and close down into a never ending thumb suckling and tears dropping.

Is it karma? No. But it's about being a certain kind of man... or another. And THAT exists. And everybody see it.


That's an entirely different matter. But I do agree with that part.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#35 - 2014-10-19 14:35:17 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Wraymond Arji wrote:
Karma is a joke.


Karma per se may be totally irrelevant, but what goes around COMES around and you always end up paying (sooner or later) for the wrongs you have done.


Confirmation bias. Bad things will happen to you eventually, and when they do happen, your mind rationalises something bad you've done in the past as the reason. Which is totally bull.


It's not confirmation bias, in my now not-so-short life I have seen it happen countless times. There are very few sons of a b!tch who end up well, they pave their own road to self destruction by never stopping going too far until they get burned.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#36 - 2014-10-19 15:54:13 UTC
That happens to people who never did anything wrong as well. I seem them every day. The difference is that they end up on the streets, searching through the trash for something to eat instead of winding up dead.
Wedgie Nelson
Dogs of Capitalism Stellar Trade Clearinghouse
#37 - 2014-10-20 05:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Wedgie Nelson
Wow if your that guilt-ridden over a game, you must be really messed up IRL. do you go to confession after playing Black ops too?
Big Lynx
#38 - 2014-10-20 08:31:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Just like video games don't make people commit murder, criminals don't roleplay crimes in a video game, they commit them. It's a sandbox game and you're welcome to play the villain (in the sandbox), that alone says nothing about you as a person.


This. In rl I sleep under a bridge with my notebook as pillow. In EvE I am selfmade trillionaire. I wish it would be the opposite.


If that was even true, then you live under a bridge because you believe you are so little worth that you self-condemn yourself at acting in a way that shall lead you to live under a bridge.

People can and DO fall, some don't give up and stand up again and fight till the sweet or bitter end. The others consciously or unconsiously self believe to not deserve a second chance and just sit down and wait for the end to come.


Tyvm, Ms. Freud
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