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Serene Repose
#41 - 2014-10-19 05:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Once you realize CODE is a subsidiary of Goonwaffle, you understand trying to use logic and proportion is an exercise in futility. CCP already finds both of them amusing so neither will have anything happen to them to satisfy those of us who are into logic and proportion. Therefore, it's wise to go with the parallel universe option mentioned in other posts.

Suffice to say, however, the only real purpose for ganking miners is for cheap thrills and to pad killboards...
which in itself is a cheap thrill as well. It's like getting one of those mirrors with the Time Magazine border.

LOOK AT ME!!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#42 - 2014-10-19 06:45:34 UTC
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#43 - 2014-10-19 06:55:39 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers.


Confirming that webs, scouts, ECM, counter-ganks and grey matter between your ears are not enough tools. CCP, buff brains.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2014-10-19 07:17:19 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


All that is being shown is that a dozen freighters the other day are too daft to avoid a single system in high sec.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#45 - 2014-10-19 07:25:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Statistically the freighter is one of the safest ships to fly in EVE.


Safest being a titan?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#46 - 2014-10-19 07:37:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


All that is being shown is that a dozen freighters the other day are too daft to avoid a single system in high sec.


It's a major pain to avoid Uedama, and makes doing logistics even more miserable. Redfrog raised their rates 47%, freighters are dying right and left, and the entirety of highsec commerce is threatened by a few criminals in catalysts parked in Uedama. How does this not scream broken?
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#47 - 2014-10-19 07:42:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Goonwaffe and their CODE pets


LOL

Veers Belvar wrote:
the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


10+ people attacking a single person and emerging victorious doesn't seem broken to me.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#48 - 2014-10-19 07:48:21 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Goonwaffe and their CODE pets


LOL

Veers Belvar wrote:
the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


10+ people attacking a single person and emerging victorious doesn't seem broken to me.


10 people in 10 million isk gank ships blowing up a 1.3 bil freighter in the 20 seconds before CONCORD arrives, while being shot at by gate guns and faction police.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#49 - 2014-10-19 08:10:12 UTC
Take sceadaa's Erebus loss for example, a 158b ship that got killed by a 20-man fleet that cost less than 45b, and that's being an inflated estimate of the fleet cost. Turns out, working with a team is a force multiplier.

CCP has tried balancing ship strength on cost once in the past and it didn't really work out well. You can't really afford to exclude smaller ships from being useful or the ground level of being an useful member of society is going to get so high that unless you've been playing for a number of years already, you shouldn't even try.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2014-10-19 08:13:37 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


All that is being shown is that a dozen freighters the other day are too daft to avoid a single system in high sec.


It's a major pain to avoid Uedama, and makes doing logistics even more miserable. Redfrog raised their rates 47%, freighters are dying right and left, and the entirety of highsec commerce is threatened by a few criminals in catalysts parked in Uedama. How does this not scream broken?


Red frog raised their prices for other reasons. As for the freighter dying lefts and right, even with the current code event going on we saw 13 die in high sec out of thousands to tens of thousands of trips made.

Veers Belvar wrote:


10 people in 10 million isk gank ships blowing up a 1.3 bil freighter in the 20 seconds before CONCORD arrives, while being shot at by gate guns and faction police.


Please show this 10 mil ship and fit that can kill a freighter with just 10 pilots.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#51 - 2014-10-19 08:34:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Red frog raised their prices for other reasons. As for the freighter dying lefts and right, even with the current code event going on we saw 13 die in high sec out of thousands to tens of thousands of trips made.

Please show this 10 mil ship and fit that can kill a freighter with just 10 pilots.


1. You must be kidding. See https://sites.google.com/site/rffguidelines/phoebe-ganks Red Frog specifically raised their rates because of ganking, and added a massive Uedama surcharge. The Goon disinformation campaign and prepackages talking points won't work against me - time to step up your game buddy.

2. T2 fit cata with max skills - pushes 800 dps overheated. Close to 20k damage in a 0.5 before CONCORD shows, assuming proper pulling. 10 of those can take down a freighter.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#52 - 2014-10-19 08:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Veers Belvar wrote:
2. T2 fit cata with max skills - pushes 800 dps overheated. Close to 20k damage in a 0.5 before CONCORD shows, assuming proper pulling. 10 of those can take down a freighter.


Catalyst w/ max skills, overheating, 8 Light Neutron Blasters, 3 Magstabs, 2 dps rigs, Void ammo and 185m worth of gunnery implants does 756 DPS.

Get out.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2014-10-19 09:05:03 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Veers Belvar wrote:


1. You must be kidding. See https://sites.google.com/site/rffguidelines/phoebe-ganks Red Frog specifically raised their rates because of ganking, and added a massive Uedama surcharge. The Goon disinformation campaign and prepackages talking points won't work against me - time to step up your game buddy.

Protest Phoebe Changes

We will be also using this opportunity to update our pricing model currently in place, to account for all the changed factors.

This is all to do with the jump drive nerf, ganking has not gone up over the last year and this one month long event in one system does not a trend make.

Veers Belvar wrote:

2. T2 fit cata with max skills - pushes 800 dps overheated. Close to 20k damage in a 0.5 before CONCORD shows, assuming proper pulling. 10 of those can take down a freighter.





On the 17th 12 freighters were ganked, none of them were killed by fewer than 19 ships, the average number of ships used was 23, half of the ships used were battlecruisers.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-10-19 09:11:17 UTC
Red frog really use JF much?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2014-10-19 09:15:10 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Red frog really use JF much?


Let me put it this way, if you run a business and everyone thinks the jump range nerfs are going to impact red frog as much as black frog wouldn't you take advantage?

This ganking event is just the icing on the cake because highsec scrubs aren't going to be questioning that kind of excuse for price rises given that most of them think "freighters are blowing up left and right".
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-10-19 09:19:59 UTC
I was just curious, I didn't think they would need them at all - but I suppose it's a nifty shortcut for a rush order. tbh I didn't even know there was an 'event', I'm not up with all the cool kids in high sec much Smile
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-10-19 11:11:10 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


Meanwhile, you frequently demonstrate you don't know how combat in EVE really works so we can dismiss this assertion as an uneducated one.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project
#58 - 2014-10-19 11:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


Meanwhile, you frequently demonstrate you don't know how combat in EVE really works so we can dismiss this assertion as an uneducated one.
Who are you talking to?

I would suggest not giving the Trottel more attention than he deserves,
because it's what he wants.

He was gone ... it was good ... he is back ... block his posts.

Problem solved. We can't hope for him to get rid of himself,
so we have to do it ourselves one way or the other.

It's not like one can expect a single reasonable,
well thought out response from him,
so responding makes one look rather daft.

He acts like this on purpose. Who in his right mind would talk
to some "person" like this IRL? No one.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-10-19 11:19:12 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
~ironic lecture~


Thanks 'mum', but I'm a grown up and I'll make my own decisions about who I do and don't talk to. If you've got a problem with attention seekers, then why do you do it so much yourself?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#60 - 2014-10-19 11:25:03 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Freighter kills are way up the last month or so. Freighters don't have enough tools to survive against massed cheap glass cannon destroyers. Goonwaffe and their CODE pets are demonstrating that the combat system is broken and needs to be fixed.


Meanwhile, you frequently demonstrate you don't know how combat in EVE really works so we can dismiss this assertion as an uneducated one.
Who are you talking to?

I would suggest not giving the Trottel more attention than he deserves,
because it's what he wants.

He was gone ... it was good ... he is back ... block his posts.

Problem solved. We can't hope for him to get rid of himself,
so we have to do it ourselves one way or the other.

It's not like one can expect a single reasonable,
well thought out response from him,
so responding makes one look rather daft.

He acts like this on purpose. Who in his right mind would talk
to some "person" like this IRL? No one.


Sol, accusations of trolling are especially rich coming from you. Did your caps lock key break? I kind of miss your intermittent use of Caps in posts.

And yes, my point stands.