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Solecist Project
#21 - 2014-10-17 23:48:29 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Something like that, if by kill you mean failed to kill. More than once. Blink
Hey we got it that one time ...
... and then you started paying attention! ^_^

Nope you didn't. I could understand why you would want to remember it that way though.

Then I apologise and it must have been someone elses. :)
We absolutely did kill a few. I did, at least. ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2014-10-18 00:19:05 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
BuckStrider wrote:
Or maybe, just maybe, and this might be crazy talk, his freighter alt. avoids Uedama.


Maaaaaayyyyyyybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................

But still ... I have no reason to believe that others do not know that him is him ...
... and that he'd ask them not to gank him. Makes perfect sense ...
... simply because the others most likely have chars that wanna be safe too..... (:


Most people aren't like me. Most people do things/have agreements, when they benefit them.

I'd just say "get lost" and keep shooting ... like him below .... ^_^





There are a grand total of 3 people who know my alt. One doesn't play anymore and the other two dont gank. The best defence in my case is telling a few people as possible. There are a lot of people out there who would love to get a BAT freighter given our history.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#23 - 2014-10-18 02:51:17 UTC
Don't see many rigged and tanked Procurers and Skiffs being ganked. If you got 'em , AFK 'em. Blink

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Nevil Oscillator
#24 - 2014-10-18 03:05:31 UTC
Michael Ruckert wrote:
Don't see many rigged and tanked Procurers and Skiffs being ganked. If you got 'em , AFK 'em. Blink


I have to admit I'm rarely there to see mining ships getting ganked.

Maybe if the corporate police gave me a mission to patrol the belts looking for gankers then I might.

Unfortunately things don't work like that so you are on your own,

I have a damsel to resque from a casino or something.

However I think the Proc and the Skiff would be the most likely to pass the safety inspection,

If we did those either.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#25 - 2014-10-18 03:34:24 UTC
2 30 minute trips. So that's like... What.... 10 jumps in a freighter between both trips?
That's not Logistics.

Better than survival per flying hour would be survival per jump. Since all that time in warp doesn't actually put you at risk so much as the time at the end. Or time in space not cloaked or warping....
Those would be far more interesting statistics to look at.

Yet again, Showing how to abuse statistics for your own benefit.
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#26 - 2014-10-18 04:02:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:


Average number of flying hours expected to survive might be an interesting statistic


Had mine for three years now.



Don't make me explain what flying hours means


2 30 min trips a day to and from jita. Its boringly safe in these things unless you do something like stuff 10 bil in the hold.


And have at least some sense of where to NOT go.... You know, let's just say a hypothetical system that starts with an U.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2014-10-18 04:10:33 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
2 30 minute trips. So that's like... What.... 10 jumps in a freighter between both trips?
That's not Logistics.

Better than survival per flying hour would be survival per jump. Since all that time in warp doesn't actually put you at risk so much as the time at the end. Or time in space not cloaked or warping....
Those would be far more interesting statistics to look at.

Yet again, Showing how to abuse statistics for your own benefit.


Telling you I spend an hour more or less every day flying a freighter around is now abusing statistics...

Ok lets deal with this simple fact. Freighters make hundreds of thousands of trips across high sec every month, most likely millions, yet only a dozen are ganked every month on average.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-10-18 06:32:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Telling you I spend an hour more or less every day flying a freighter around is now abusing statistics...

Ok lets deal with this simple fact. Freighters make hundreds of thousands of trips across high sec every month, most likely millions, yet only a dozen are ganked every month on average.

Where do that number come from?
What is the trend?
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-10-18 06:38:42 UTC
Odithia wrote:

Where do that number come from?


From his ass. According to zkill there were twelve freighters ganked yesterday alone.
Solecist Project
#30 - 2014-10-18 06:53:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:


Average number of flying hours expected to survive might be an interesting statistic


Had mine for three years now.



Don't make me explain what flying hours means


2 30 min trips a day to and from jita. Its boringly safe in these things unless you do something like stuff 10 bil in the hold.


And have at least some sense of where to NOT go.... You know, let's just say a hypothetical system that starts with an U.

There's no system called Uranus ....... xD (I'm so bad at wordpuns)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#31 - 2014-10-18 08:36:01 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Where do that number come from?


From his ass. According to zkill there were twelve freighters ganked yesterday alone.


Good to see that you understand what "on average" means.

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Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-10-18 09:04:17 UTC
So no way of gathering proper data other than manualy going trough every page of a killboard ?
Lady Areola Fappington
#33 - 2014-10-18 09:07:06 UTC
Odithia wrote:
So no way of gathering proper data other than manualy going trough every page of a killboard ?



Not without begging CCP for the info. Even then, some people aren't linked up to killboards, so you'll never see those.

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Solecist Project
#34 - 2014-10-18 09:07:38 UTC
Odithia wrote:
So no way of gathering proper data other than manualy going trough every page of a killboard ?

Try python. It's a programming language that excells at this.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#35 - 2014-10-18 10:10:30 UTC
Odithia wrote:
So no way of gathering proper data other than manualy going trough every page of a killboard ?

It has an API

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4977216#post4977216

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2014-10-18 10:27:46 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Where do that number come from?


From his ass. According to zkill there were twelve freighters ganked yesterday alone.


Code are running a special event in Udama, outside of that one system there was one gank yesterday.
Nevil Oscillator
#37 - 2014-10-18 10:39:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Code are running a special event in Udama, outside of that one system there was one gank yesterday.


Just as well I went through Uedama
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-10-18 12:26:35 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Odithia wrote:
So no way of gathering proper data other than manualy going trough every page of a killboard ?

It has an API

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4977216#post4977216

Ran the API for september (only 80 kills?) and used your numbers.
Doesn't count jump freighter though.

Here is how it look as a graph.
http://imgur.com/XustrW3
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#39 - 2014-10-18 17:02:15 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
Or maybe, just maybe, and this might be crazy talk, his freighter alt. avoids Uedama.


No in pretty much every case we successfully fly through the ganking zones with the time honored tradition of not being dumb.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-10-18 21:33:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
2 30 minute trips. So that's like... What.... 10 jumps in a freighter between both trips?
That's not Logistics.

Better than survival per flying hour would be survival per jump. Since all that time in warp doesn't actually put you at risk so much as the time at the end. Or time in space not cloaked or warping....
Those would be far more interesting statistics to look at.

Yet again, Showing how to abuse statistics for your own benefit.


Telling you I spend an hour more or less every day flying a freighter around is now abusing statistics...

Ok lets deal with this simple fact. Freighters make hundreds of thousands of trips across high sec every month, most likely millions, yet only a dozen are ganked every month on average.


These trips could be done in any other ships without getting ganked. Who the **** would gank a battleship without a bling fit on it? Who would gank BC without a bling fit on it? Freighter don't dies as much as combat ships because they are not thrown into combat situation. It's as simple as that. Freighter not getting popped as much as combat ship does not mean they are imbalanced, it means they don't show up in combat situation where they would get killed.