Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What game are you playing friend?

a maxed out Orca Pilot with a mining foreman implant gives the average mining ship (venture and hulks excluded for obvious reasons according to ship limitations and bonuses) 25km range and a decent cycle time, the rorqual extends that range by a mere 4 km and reduces the cycle time of the lasers a bit more to about 80 +/- seconds based on a pilot's skill and the ships bonuses..

I'm not sure how you are getting the "doubles" factor in there, but I think you should strongly rethink your math as you're not even in the same county, much-less the same ballpark as reality on that.

you are correct that the rorqual provides better boosts than an orca does, but it also requires fuel to break the orca boost amount, otherwise, it does not even give the same bonuses as an orca does...

when you factor in the costs of a rorqual in both skills, purchase price, modules and the fuel to continually run the industrial core, the truth of the matter is that for the small difference in boost, you have to add the extra cost to run the thing, and further, the fact that almost every rorqual I've ever seen is sitting inside a POS shield boosting makes the rorq's drone bonuses nothing more than lipstick on a pig...

Not trying to beat you up, just trying to point you in the direction of reality instead of fallacy.

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Celly

That wasn't the point I was trying to make and if you had followed what I wrote in stealth bomber thread you would know.

Bundling the jump changes with the sov changes wouldn't make the jump changes suck any less for those who do not want to adapt to any negative change, you know.

Try to supply an alliance such as goonswarm while using the POS refineries and manufacturing arrays etc, without committing suicide or spending more JF capacity on POS fuel etc than you would just shipping the finished product to begin with.

Well, take away the JFing of POS fuel in, and see how easy that gets, then.

Last time i checked there was Ice in null - thus you can create the fuel there and dont HAVE to import. Thats closing the circle we where running around - you CAN import but dont HAVE to. Thus impossible doesnt apply to anything regarding general industry in null.

The jump changes aren't as major as you're portraying them as. I mean sure, the jump changes'll make it a bit harder to maneuver around the place, but if CCP had made caps work in the manner they're changing them to to begin with, then nobody would be entitled shitlords who think they should be able to go from one end of the map to the other in a short amount of time and with a minimum of cyno alts, they'd just accept it as normal.

The sov change is going to have much more impact on the political aspect of the eve universe than the jump changes ever will.

It was impossible to beat imports from jita. Stuff made in null was simply too expensive, took too long and couldnt be made in enough quantities to keep even a small alliance supplied. It really was impossible to do industry, you would lose all of your isk trying.

Goons in all their glorious arrogance,. "We won because we are the best."
When in fact, "we won because there were 5 X as many of us than anyone we fought so were able to just wear them down", is closer to the truth.

Yes you ground down everyone and won, only with sheer numbers and pretty much unlimited isk.


When you have that dread trained up, limit the time you have to play eve to less than 3 hours per day, leave the cfc (because point, click, blobs fleets just aren't fun anymore) and join a group who does small gang warfare, 20 to 30 man fleets. See how much use your dread is to you.

Having a dread will only be useful for the large groups. For capitals, numbers in fleet will become more important than ever before.

That's not what he said. What he said was that YOU were bad because you can't see the opportunity these changes yield. That's your problem, not ours.


Um, we didn't win because of "unlimited isk", we won because we got friends instead of being elitist fucks who thinks eve online is caps online, and tossed their "unlimited isk" into big toys like supers or titans. We didn't run around yelling about how we should win because of "isk on field", exactly because we weren't the ones with "unlimited isk".


You do realize that CCP hasn't stopped you from continuing to do what PL/N3/etc usually does, i.e. spam carriers, supers and titans in a single system to win a fight, right? They've just made it more work to GET them there, which makes their deployment more ...uh, what's the word? Oh yeah, strategic.

The only thing they've stopped (or tried to stop, the jury's still out on that one) groups like PL/N3/BL/etc from going from one side of the universe to the other to gank a single super, or interfering in someone else's fight. Or from doing what they did in the fountain war when their sov dropped and they ground down and re-TCUed almost the entire space they'd lost sov in, in less than 24 hours, and then be back in fountain again the next day.


Nope, dropping a few dreads and carriers in the same manner that RnK does, instead of having all the DPS in f.ex battleships, will probably be even more viable, since it'll be harder for outside entities to just knock on your door with a small titan/supers fleet. So they'll probably be even more important in smaller scraps than they are now.