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Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2011-12-13 17:58:19 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.


Since it could neither be bought nor sold, it actually did not have any value. There was no pricetag.

It was the true gift.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#82 - 2011-12-13 18:09:32 UTC
Please find an update here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033&find=unread

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#83 - 2011-12-13 18:23:06 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up

the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.

outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.

implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).

fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously

aurum: dont care

faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.

drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters

i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.



You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2011-12-13 18:24:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up

the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.

outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.

implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).

fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously

aurum: dont care

faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.

drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters

i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.



You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?




Did you actually expected something else ?
stoicfaux
#85 - 2011-12-13 19:07:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?


No, he's pointing out that CCP's attempt to build good will with the Eve player base might not work. Which further implies that CCP shouldn't "waste" resources on gifts that "nobody" wants.

apology: I know it sounds a bit crass to say that, so my apologies to CCP. It's not my intent to denigrate our free gifts.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2011-12-13 19:36:51 UTC
actually im saying that instead of something unique or special we now get something we can pick of the market for a few million isk. The remap was the only single thing that we couldnt just buy and therefor was a lot more interesting as a choice.
Wyte Ragnarok
#87 - 2011-12-13 19:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyte Ragnarok
[What the above said. Also see:
Mioelnir wrote:
It was the true gift.

It really was. It was something that was unique. I really couldn't care much for 50m ISK (sorry CCP), but something like a remap was just awesome. I didn't select it the other day because I feared it wouldn't stack :( hope it gets reintroduced...

CCP Guard wrote:
Please find an update here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033&find=unread


Thanks for the update Guard, even if it's not quite what I was hoping for :(
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2011-12-13 19:53:00 UTC
Just scrap the whole chose your present..

And instead gives us an suprise... So everyone can just shut up and enjoy..

hint : snowballs.
Galatea Galilei
Nihilistic Mystics
#89 - 2011-12-13 19:57:54 UTC
Mioelnir wrote:
Since it could neither be bought nor sold, it actually did not have any value. There was no pricetag.

If you believe "value" and "financial value" are equivalent in meaning, I suspect you're confused about what one of the words involved actually means, in this case, most likely "value". Something can be quite valuable while having no financial value. Absent the qualifier, "value" has a much more generalized meaning that is often closer to "usefulness" than "price", although even "useless" items (for practical purposes) often have great value. "Value" is a very broad word. "Financial value" is much smaller and narrower in meaning.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2011-12-13 19:59:30 UTC
Galatea Galilei wrote:
Mioelnir wrote:
Since it could neither be bought nor sold, it actually did not have any value. There was no pricetag.

If you believe "value" and "financial value" are equivalent in meaning, I suspect you're confused about what one of the words involved actually means, in this case, most likely "value". Something can be quite valuable while having no financial value. Absent the qualifier, "value" has a much more generalized meaning that is often closer to "usefulness" than "price", although even "useless" items (for practical purposes) often have great value. "Value" is a very broad word. "Financial value" is much smaller and narrower in meaning.


but in the end its all about money, thats why the world is so sad place to live.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#91 - 2011-12-13 19:59:44 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

hint : snowballs.


^^This

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Galatea Galilei
Nihilistic Mystics
#92 - 2011-12-13 20:02:06 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
but in the end its all about money, thats why the world is so sad place to live.

It's all about whatever you choose to make it about. It's a sad world for those who don't understand that.
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#93 - 2011-12-13 20:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sydney Nelson
Malcanis wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up

the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.

outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.

implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).

fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously

aurum: dont care

faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.

drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters

i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.



You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?




No kidding! Quit crying, do your research, get the gift that sells for the most ISK in your part of the universe, say "Thanks for the free ISK CCP!".

I mean the type of people we have in this world...

"Here's something free."

"But, I can't really use that, your gift is crap, boo hoo hoo!"

"Really? I gave you 22 options for something free, and that's still not good enough?! You can turn any one of those gifts into cold-hard cash. Why ***** about free money? I didn't have to give you anything in the first-place."
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#94 - 2011-12-13 20:08:39 UTC
I posted here.

It's not constructive at all but who cares any way, just be honoured by my presence Lol
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2011-12-13 20:18:54 UTC
Remap is removed. Thats a shocker Roll

To the other goobers from my prior post, this is my point of view.

1. Players refuse to spend money because "someone might have an advantage with real money over someone who doesn't" (lol like who is going to remap 52x a year on a whim, when in reality might be just as much as 2x a year and probably never again after that) and declare that "you choose and the consequences are your stuck with it a year." CCP caves in and ends PLEX for remap idea.

2. Players gladly accept a free remap and no one complains. They want a freebie, but if the idea of cash is involved...which is like 2 hours of work for 1 plex (or 3 hours work a month for the standard 2x PLEX package) causes you all to rage and foam at the mouth.

Its not the remaps that I care about (yeah, I will take a freebie don't get me wrong and I had no complaints about remapping for cash) but the player reactions that confuse me. So, if you all love the idea of remapping and love CCP/EVE then why the f*ck can't you pony up the cash? Don't like it, don't spend the money (cause you know NeX store is there but we don't have to use it) while still getting your free yearly and the top reason to spend the cash is to save time which in the end is very little time saved out of the year BUT the cost is trivial at best (really, is about $20-50 USD that big of a deal when you spend that much for 2 hours at the theater and end up with stale popcorn, a grease stain on your shirt, and a sour taste in your mouth from a bad flick).
Colleo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2011-12-13 21:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Colleo
CCP Guard wrote:
The remap gift is being looked into, we should have news for you shortly. Thank you for your patience!


Please make it so it's a "extra" remap.. Mine is also due to reset the 2nd of February so the gifted one wouldn't really do much for me. It's a nice gift but sadly wont help a lot of us that have remaps set to come up soon. However if it stacked it would help quite a bit as I could slip in some extra skills.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2011-12-13 21:13:07 UTC
Colleo wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
The remap gift is being looked into, we should have news for you shortly. Thank you for your patience!


Please make it so it's a "extra" remap.. Mine is also due to reset the 2nd of February so the gifted one wouldn't really do much for me. It's a nice gift but sadly wont help a lot of us that have remaps set to come up soon. However if it stacked it would help quite a bit as I could slip in some extra skills.


As per update, remap as an option is taken away. Because some difficulties.
stoicfaux
#98 - 2011-12-13 21:25:42 UTC
Just want to point out that the "real" gift might simply be the infrastructure to allow the choice of a gift. Meaning, it should now be trivial for CCP to do multiple-choice gift offers in the future... =)

OTOH, it also means that CCP might be setting up to allow users to purchase "packages" with PLEX in the future as well.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#99 - 2011-12-13 21:32:15 UTC
Sydney Nelson wrote:

"Really? I gave you 22 options for something free, and that's still not good enough?! ."

nope, there were no snowballs

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2011-12-14 06:05:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Samantha Utama
It's embarrassing to see these self-entitled posts whining about free giftsOops

There's actually a guy who wanted CCP to get community feedback before offering the gifts. Seriously? Roll