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First Arek'Jaalan Symposium : Restructuring & Leadership - YC116-YC117

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Anslo
Scope Works
#41 - 2014-10-17 13:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
I can field fleets of 20-30+ in my operational area. More given advanced notice. I also have access to clone troops to deploy as needed. In addition i think my whole going from nothing to leader of something over this year would speak for itself.

In addition, I submit our recent combat activity reports as reference to our ability to fight. As for my out of pod experience, that is not clear to discuss on such a public channel.

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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#42 - 2014-10-17 13:16:40 UTC
Ahh, what exactly does an internal security person do anyway that its this contentious? I had figured people would be fighting over the research positions, but security? come on people. We're all capsuleers here, what do we need 'internal security' or 'security' for anyway, that we can't do ourselves as individuals?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-10-17 13:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Saede Riordan wrote:
Ahh, what exactly does an internal security person do anyway that its this contentious? I had figured people would be fighting over the research positions, but security? come on people. We're all capsuleers here, what do we need 'internal security' or 'security' for anyway, that we can't do ourselves as individuals?


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Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#44 - 2014-10-17 16:39:49 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
Ahh, what exactly does an internal security person do anyway that its this contentious? I had figured people would be fighting over the research positions, but security? come on people. We're all capsuleers here, what do we need 'internal security' or 'security' for anyway, that we can't do ourselves as individuals?


As I recall, the Security Division was always meant more as an external security reasons anyway.

And capsuleers we are, but we are vulnerable outside our pods, and even in space, there is only so much one of us can do, particularly when you take into account the fact that we often question the motives of the empires. We are walking a fine line, welcoming all, including outlaws, operating under CONCORD's law while defying it on the occasion, and aiming to share our knowledge with all the Empires' inhabitants.

We are bound to be targeted, and by forces that will outpower even a battalion of us. Mrs d'Hanguest here is only an example of the most predictable - and, incidentally, less dangerous - adversaries we will have.

Anyway.

I do not mean to be rude, and it is not my place to moderate this Symposium, but am I the only one having a feeling we are getting lost in unnecessary details?


Who is going to be the head of what is irrelevant at this point: we need to define those positions first, and how they will operate. Ms. Riordan here is the only one who expressed support to my proposal so far. This wouldn't be so aggravating if others expressed their opposition. But no one did. It's just as if no one cared about making Arek'Jalaan an efficient structure, but most were only attracted by vague promises of personal glory.

I was, at first, thrilled to see faces I enjoyed working with - or against - in the past. People I knew were efficient, sometimes blunt, sometimes mistaken, but always following a plan, and not their personal agenda. I offer you all my time, my ideas, whether you think of me as a genius or a fool, and offered to take the lead of the Multidisciplinary Division, not to achieve any kind of personal goal, but to benefit from my peers' expertise, and go further with you than I can go alone. But if this is bickering over leadership positions is all Arek'Jalaan is going to become, then I have no place here.

But enough ranting, more proposals:

In addition to my generic vision of Arek'Jalaan's command, described a few days ago, here is an addendum, my proposal about Division Leads election:

In the first term following Arek'Jalaan's reactivation (where we are now):
- Former Division Leads are welcome to resume their previous activity. In case of a Division merge, they can be challenged by the other former Division Leads concerned.
- Former Project Leads can rise to a vacant Division Lead position. They are de facto accepted at this position if no other former Project Lead from the Division contest it.
- This is done to ensure a quick and efficient transition to the new management. In any other case (former Division Leads competing, former Project Leads competing, or no former Division / Project Lead stepping up), proceed as for a normal term.

Normal terms:
- When a Division Lead (and Substitute) term is ending, they are in charge of organizing the next term election. If they are unavailable, this responsibility is mandated to someone deemed suitable by a vote of the (crippled) Council.
- Candidates to a Division Lead position will have a determined time to explain their platforms, and generally convince their peers of why they are suitable.
- After this period, every member registered in the division can vote in the election. One vote each.
- Leads can be reelected.
- An Arek'Jaalan member is considered registered in a division if he contributed something significant to Arek'Jalaan (Confirmed materials acquisition, participation to a project recognized by the project lead, etc.) and expresses the wish to be integrated to this Division.
- A member can belong to more than one Division. However, one can not be elected Lead or Substitute of more than one Division at a time.

I know this is hard on the new blood who wish to participate. But we need to act swiftly, and we can't give prominent positions to people just because they pretend to be willing. Would you appoint a Director to your Corporation this way? Former Leads proved themselves already. We only have to make sure everyone has the opportunity to do it again.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#45 - 2014-10-17 17:03:34 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:

Who is going to be the head of what is irrelevant at this point: we need to define those positions first, and how they will operate.

I know this is hard on the new blood who wish to participate. But we need to act swiftly, and we can't give prominent positions to people just because they pretend to be willing. Would you appoint a Director to your Corporation this way? Former Leads proved themselves already. We only have to make sure everyone has the opportunity to do it again.


I happen to have a number of ideas for how new blood might be able to prove themselves, but was hesitant because the current topic of interest is Sleeper behaviour, and as such would not have been under my particular area of expertise/knowledge.

In the absence of an organisational structure, what should I do at this point ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#46 - 2014-10-17 18:58:06 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
Ahh, what exactly does an internal security person do anyway that its this contentious? I had figured people would be fighting over the research positions, but security? come on people. We're all capsuleers here, what do we need 'internal security' or 'security' for anyway, that we can't do ourselves as individuals?


Internal security would be someone who sets up protocol to safeguard secrets/assets, such as research/construction materials, blueprints, that sort of thing. They would also be responsible for performing thorough background checks and just making sure people don't do bad things, basically.

As for external security, I'm not sure you would need it for a project like A'J but maybe something interesting is planned that requires it. If you're worried about being targeted, I wonder how one could carry out an attack? Considering that A'J is a mixed group of different corporations/alliance/individuals it's pretty unrealistic someone would bribe CONCORD for that. It wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong, though.

Anyways, hope the bickering stops and progress is made. Good luck.

-Eran
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#47 - 2014-10-17 20:51:57 UTC
Well, I would certainly trust Kyllsa Siikanen with any materials handled. I'm unsure about anyone else who has expressed interest save, surprisingly, for Anslo. While Mr. Caine and Ms. Saskia I'm sure have many useful and relevant talents, I don't believe it would be particularly wise to trust them with anything they could walk off with for ISK. I mean it as no offense to them, but merely as a matter of pragmatism.
Anslo
Scope Works
#48 - 2014-10-17 21:29:51 UTC
So this whole thing is about, what securing materials? If that's all then give it to kyllsa. I'd offer to secure crap but I doubt anyone trusts me...despite my SRP program...and persons who'd vouch ...and track record...etc...

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Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#49 - 2014-10-18 00:40:38 UTC
Ladies & Gentlemen,

We are asking for feedback on organizational structure, and once that is determined, we will be collecting the names proposed here, reaching out, seeing their interest in specific positions, and putting multiple candidates out for a vote for the same job to provide choice for the community members.

The candidacy announcement and elections will occur after proposals on the structure of the organization takes place, so there is simply no need to argue in this specific forum - there will be a better place for it in the second part of the symposium. Simply, announce your candidacy for taking part in Arek'Jaalan, and once the structure has been voted on and set, I will reach out and ask you which position you are interested in.

Some of us have begun discussing specific positions, like the the security head, but no one has proposed an actual security dvisiion to begin with. If it's not proposed, then it wont exist, because I can't put an idea up for a vote which no one has proposed yet.

Also, in order to maintain my impartiality and keep the process clean, I can't propose it myself. So please, baby steps.


As of now the only coherent proposal for a comprehensive organizational structure and governing rules has been made by Mr. Gehen Sealbreaker. It would be great to receive other views, so I hope we can focus on that AS WELL AS listing names for potential leaders etc. Even specific proposals for a small division, or what a division should do would be great.

Give me some proposals to put out for a vote, please.

I do have to say that the discussion has been great to see. It means there are still people who care about this enough to argue about it.

Well done!
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#50 - 2014-10-18 00:42:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So this whole thing is about, what securing materials? If that's all then give it to kyllsa. I'd offer to secure crap but I doubt anyone trusts me...despite my SRP program...and persons who'd vouch ...and track record...etc...


This is way bigger than securing materials. It's about lobbying CONCORD (CCP) and building a new experience for all Capsuleers (players) revolving around EVE.
Anslo
Scope Works
#51 - 2014-10-18 01:00:01 UTC
I meant for security dude.

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Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#52 - 2014-10-18 01:25:58 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I meant for security dude.


ooops I misread. Thank you.
Sohl Ni-Zha
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-10-18 02:03:04 UTC
Ladies and gentlemen, if only you have asked someone who actually lives or often is in Anoikis you would save us all from this vanity fair (and intensive comm spam)...

The only difference in behaviour of Sleepers is... that they remote repair each other now.

Yes, quite anti-climactic finding. Sure, some serious people (Empires) with enough resources could reverse engineer a nice module or two out of it, but that's it.

But please feel free to continue search for the new Dear Security Leader. And both, internal and external.

Ta-ta.

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Willem Citroen
Asenix Inc.
#54 - 2014-10-18 05:34:31 UTC
Will there be research and development projects unrelated to Sleepers? Or is Sleeper research the sole purpose of Arek'Jaalan?
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#55 - 2014-10-18 07:18:57 UTC
Arek'Jalaan SEC will holds its minutes today at 1700. If I'm not present at the moment (busy week), Archang... I mean, Shaman Kyllsa will lead the session.

Before that happens, we've still got certain geographic scenarios rather stale. I'd like to commend Scope Works for stepping up and covering Huola and anywhere in lowsec it extends to. Entities AJ SEC is still looking to cover are whatever you call that region beyond Sinq Laison and caldari space.

I'm not making a sarcastic jab, that's what we've been promised I'm afraid.

Keeping this transparent as possible, anyone wishing to attend the SEC minutes, send me a mail. Given Sansha Kuvakei's approach to our little project, Sansha loyalists are not welcome. Blood Raider and Guristas loyalists will undergo a lengthy security check, but shouldn't feel any less welcome.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#56 - 2014-10-18 08:15:21 UTC
Willem Citroen wrote:
Will there be research and development projects unrelated to Sleepers? Or is Sleeper research the sole purpose of Arek'Jaalan?


The purpose of Arek'jaalan was to create openness in science, such that scientific discoveries and research were more widely available, using capsuleer scientists (what little there are of them), to publish research, because unlike scientists working for say CreoDron or Boundless Creations, capsuleers are not really beholden to national governments, and are less likely to have their research buried for political reasons.

The research into Sleepers and wormholes, which was the major aim of much of Arek'Jaalan was because governmental coverup of research into those things was very visible. The event that led to the outburst of wormholes was possibly the most significant cosmic occurrence that will ever happen in most people's lifetimes, and national governments were rushing to try and keep a lid on the research into the phenomena, keep it all to themselves, instead of sharing it with all of humanity.

So, yeah, if there are projects outside the Sleepers that you wish to undertake, then see if there's someone active in the field, and go ahead.

I certainly have some ideas.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#57 - 2014-10-18 08:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gehen Sealbreaker
Willem Citroen wrote:
Will there be research and development projects unrelated to Sleepers? Or is Sleeper research the sole purpose of Arek'Jaalan?


There was, and there will be again, other fields of research explored.
If you are unfamiliar with what Arek'Jalaan is, I suggest reading the official page, and, if you want, come give us a visit in Eram solarsystem.

We are not creating a new structure, simply reviving an old one in times of need.


On the topic of SEC Meeting:

Mr Caine, with all the respect I have for you and your affiliations, and while organizing side meetings to step things up is good, I think you should refrain from labeling those as official Arek'Jalaan meetings for now. We still have to agree on how we will be structured before, and who will be in charge of what, before having people acting on official capacity.

On a side note, if you are interested by the organisation and election system I proposed, please note that under it, Vincent Pryce would be eligible to become the head of SEC without a vote required, if no other former important contributor of SEC opposes it. This might be a satisfactory outcome for you.


Regarding the ideas evoked for "new blood":

Dr Valate, I suggest, if your ideas are of an organisational nature (what divisions we keep, how Arek'Jalaan decides stuff...) that you post them right away for Joe The Machine to take into account. If they are more of a day-to-day operationnal nature, I guess they would be better brought before the future Arek'Jalaan governing body, whatever it will be.

I don't want to derail this conversation with too much off-topic, but I'm still very interested by your ideas, feel free to send me a message if you would like to discuss them with a peer before exposing them to everyone.
Willem Citroen
Asenix Inc.
#58 - 2014-10-18 11:45:13 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:

There was, and there will be again, other fields of research explored.
If you are unfamiliar with what Arek'Jalaan is, I suggest reading the official page, and, if you want, come give us a visit in Eram solarsystem.

We are not creating a new structure, simply reviving an old one in times of need.


Interesting. I might just do that.
Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2014-10-18 13:22:29 UTC
I am not working under Vincent Pryce. Sorry. If he takes over, Scope Works and affiliates will withdraw.

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Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#60 - 2014-10-18 13:52:59 UTC
I believe we have had a bit of confusion!

As far as external security, operational security, Leopold, Anslo, and Kalaratiri would all be near the top of my list. They're all capable, connected in their way, and well versed in what they do. I am certainly capable of flying in combat, but I do not claim to be any sort of FC or flight coordinator. At best, I can comfortably handle a squadron of frigates or scouts.

As far as internal security, that being protection and security of assets and personnel, and particularly information and research, I believe that myself - and amazingly, the various angels, particularly Pryce and/or Caine - would be best used here. Anslo is something of a broadsword. I am more of a scalpel. I assume we will both have plenty to do.

Shaman Kyllsa Siikanen

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