Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1. The free noobship is supposed to be the least desirable ship.

2. As pointed out in 1, this ship would not be on the market, nor would it be meaningful competition to market ready ships.
This is not your desired ship, as you would need to surpass the level of the ship in order to earn it this way.
This is a fallback position, or one from which to take risks normally outside your play style.

I believe we want players to take more risks, in this manner, if not all around.

3. Do you understand that hypocritical means having lower standards than is suggested by context?
Such as people suggesting you hold yourself to higher ideals than they are willing to do.
It is ironic to even suggest such a thing, which I find to be laughable here.
I am not the one suggesting motives for personal gains.

Yes, I'm using a Talos for which a free BS would be an ample replacement in groups, particularly given its freeness.

These ships would be used on masse and cost nothing to use making their potential downsides irrelevant unless matching up against an effective force in similar sized ships. It would ruin the market, ruin the balance of pretty much any fight below fleet engagements and still probably wouldn't get those who are afraid to lose a 10m frigate today to lose a 10m BS fit tomorrow.

Am I taking a troll thread seriously or something?

The Talos goes beyond the ability of a BS, when opposing smaller ship classes.

Is your ignoring this crucial detail an attempt to troll me, perhaps?

As to someone using 10m fittings, YES, they will certainly be willing to risk a 10m BS fit.

Why?
Because the player who accesses the level 4 mission is in a completely different context from the player on a level 1 or 2 mission scale.
10m ISK is a far smaller relative amount to a player who could access the 'free BS'.
They had to faction grind up to level 4 missions to earn this 'free' BS, so they quite likely can afford to toss out 10m in fittings.
(This assumes they don't go even cheaper, they expect to be taking significant risks if they are fitting the free ship for action)

But the smaller ship is usually the end of the Talos..

It is not the foundation of the game.

It is often a piece of good advice, which sadly results in players avoiding flying anything at all far too often.

Ship too small and or cheap? Too often considered as not worth their play time.
However, the bigger and or more expensive ships, thanks to the well intentioned advice, are avoided as too risky.

More play, even in below standard ships, I feel would not be damaging to the game.

If you actually read enough to understand the topic, I would be interested in hearing the logic behind this.

I like to think that EVE is a game, not a meritocracy.

We don't earn the right to play by having ISK. ISK is simply a tool to define opportunities.
A tool that is unintentionally holding back play, considering recent testimony in the above posts.
ISK being good for defining options is a popular perception, granted, but popularity is by no means useful in measuring accuracy.

We would have volcano gods, if popularity defined truth.

Free standard and faction ships for grinding? This would do untold amounts of damage to the economy as it would crash the market on persons producing said ship types. The economy is unstable and fragile enough. Let's not **** it up more.

Here's an example of the fail that this idea truly is.

I currently have very high standings with caldari navy, resulting from years of running lvl 4 missions. So, I dock in pod, get free battleship, give battleship to corpmate, undock, repeat ad nauseum. Oh look, I've just outfitted a 100-200+ people with free battleships, whicH we then use to go out and engage another similarly outfitted fleet.

Now, your little pipe dream that mission runners who earn those ships having no effect on anything except mission runners and no effect on the market doesn't seem very reasonable now. That little example was several hundred ships not bought off the market, and not unreasonable. Actually, it would be even easier because it takes less tha 2 weeksto grind standings for lvl r missions. I can easily forsee the big alliances creating 50+ alts and grinding enough standing to obtain mass free battleships for their members.

-1 for non-traceable

-1 for "just another item seeded by NPCs"

Wait.

There are balance considerations to respect, which have already been stipulated.

In the event that the basic T1 / faction boat would be unbalancing, then a reduced capacity vessel would be substituted.

Please understand, we have NO NUMBERS for the players who chose to NOT buy a ship for reckless use.
We can only guess at how many base model hulls are actually bought for reckless intent, as assuming that all such sales is going too far here.

So, let's specify this: Players who plan on their ship surviving are willing to spend in order to make their expectations realistic.
It is an investment, in that light, and not something that is expected to be lost before recouping it's value in either ISK or play.

To be frank, we are shooting for players that meet the following conditions:
They just lost a ship, or do not have one available.
They have play time available.
They are not comfortable spending more ISK to replace the ship at this time, for WHATEVER reason.

I believe we want them in space.

Unless we assume they encounter no other players, for the time period in question, they will add content for other players, and more explosions happen.

The assumption that the market will fold, as a result of low end ship availability, has no foundation.
It quite seriously assumes that lost sales of overwhelming significance will occur, due to pilots not purchasing the ships that many, if not most, never would have bought in the first place.

The market never had these sales in the first place.

Ship sales are, in fact, suffering because no losses to these freebie ships exist at this time.

These ships will drastically increase fittings purchase amounts, as well as pilots seeking advantage over them buying higher quality hulls.

That is quite a stimulus, viewed from that direction.