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Elite: Dangerous v EVE

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Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
#81 - 2014-10-17 09:30:40 UTC
The game beta it's very promising, the game have a lot of potential. Big smile
flakeys
Doomheim
#82 - 2014-10-17 15:13:24 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Yes. Elite:D will definitely kill Eve...just like X:Rebirth did.






Don't forget STO ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#83 - 2014-10-17 17:33:29 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Yes. Elite:D will definitely kill Eve...just like X:Rebirth did.






Don't forget STO ...


And Black Prophecy, and Jumpgate, and SWG, and SWTOR and others. All games set in space.

The people who predict a game will kill EVE aren't people who understand (or enjoy) what EVE is and what it has to offer. Mainly they are people who play EVE because they like space or space ships or the future (ie 'the subject matter of the game) but dislike the specifics of EVE. This is why NO ONE is happier than me to see Elite and Star Citizen and even Phoenix, so the space shooter guys have where to F off go to.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#84 - 2014-10-17 18:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Nevermind...
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2014-10-18 00:01:50 UTC
I didn't hear about Elite:Dangerous until rather recently, but the Oculus Rift community has jumped on it because it is the best Oculus Rift experience so far.

What Elite:Dangerous is...

Its an open world (perhaps open universe would be a better term) world that is basically a hard core game much like its early versions of its game in 1984. It hopes to emulate millions of star systems in the final release. It focuses heavily on combat, trading, smuggling, and various other enterprises worthy of its name.

Let me tell you about what Elite:Dangerous is now....

You can buy the beta version of the game for $75 US dollars. Although unfinished, if they had to release it today it would be worth getting. It is a space sim. Though sadly it still doesn't have full blow Newtonian physics (well neither does Star Citizen). Currently there are hundreds of systems. Some governed and some with anarchy.

That said, the police are not immortal and people in game have been known til kill a great deal of security vessels just because they interfered with them getting bounties off criminals (or they shot each other by accident).

In effect there is no concord. There are bounties, but because law enforcement is by system, it is rather easy to escape punishment for blowing up someone's ship. In anarchy systems, the stations won't lift a finger if you shoot other players docking as long as you don't hit the station.

The combat is good. I didn't play SC's arena commander but the combat was somewhat boring looking on twitch streams. ED's on the other hand is very exciting because of ship and shield management as well as weapon configurations.

Its much more interesting than EVEs lock and push F1.

Also, it is easier to lose all your stuff in ED than in EVE. Yes, this is a big statement, but I have on occasion hit boost button and flew into the station I was in loosing all my cargo and ship in the process. There is insurance, but its done afterwards (some say this is a problem) the death so if you don't have enough money to cover the loss then you are up the proverbial poop creek.

One of the new problems is that people are getting the newb ships and ramming other players who have weak ships while hauling cargo causing both players to lose their ships but since the newb ships are freely replaced then well...

Now before you go out and spend those $75 let me advise.

What ED is not....

ED is not a very social game. Communications are difficult for a reason. Currently you cannot trade directly (players get around this by buying expensive goods and eject them near stations with black markets used for smuggling goods). The chat functions are non-existant and lord help you if you try to try to talk to someone before shooting them.

ED is not massive in number of players you expect to interact with. It uses peer to peer network code allowing for 16-32 players in a sessions. Yes, if you fly to Freeport (anarchy system) you will get shot at and have targets to shoot at (especially smugglers trying to sneak in with stolen gold). So no. There will not be massive fleet fights in EVE. IMO this is forgivable because I never enjoyed massive fleet fights with TIDI taking 5 minutes to do anything.

Also there are going to be so many star systems that if you fly away from the core systems you may not run into any players (there will be NPCs making it an alive universe).

Also the economy is currently NPC based. Goods are manufactures by planets, bought buy players, and sold back to the NPCs. This may change when players get storage (it will change with mining at least). But the design documents are rather unclear if there will be player manufacturing.

Anyways... What this wall of text is about is. ED is almost a finish game. You can get it now if you want. I believe EVE players will flock to it rather than Star Citizen (because you can get it now and its more open to bad behavior).

Now CCP is going to counter this with Valkyrie but thats not EVE. It has Oculus Rift support (which is great), but it still leaves EVE without OR support. Once you have ED you can forget about having to grind for PLEX or pay for monthly subscriptions. Even if you have 50% as much fun in ED, it is still worth it.

Also the design documents are rather glorious. ED is releasing mining on October 28th and it will be much more interactive than EVE's system where you have to knock chunks off the asteroids and then catch it with your cargo scoop on your ship.

Well don't take my word for it, go check the ED streams on Twitch or the Youtube videos... Its shaping up to be a very excellent game.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#86 - 2014-10-18 00:28:23 UTC
Also, I would like to point out that ED is far superior to Star Trek online and X-Rebirth so this time its different.

I mean Star Trek online is really only good if you like Star Trek lore, otherwise its a mediocre space game.

X-Rebirth wasn't that great either. It just happened to have walking in stations.

The clincher is that ED has Oculus Rift support which makes it vastly superior to most other games in its genre. Star Citizen is supposed to get it but right now it doesn't have it working which is why I am playing ED and not SC.

Well there is Valkyrie but its not EVE.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#87 - 2014-10-20 15:21:27 UTC
Didnt try it yet looks interesting.

Comparison w x_r is strange it is single player game and by order of magnitude the weakest release of x series.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Valok Morr
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-10-21 09:12:55 UTC
I'll most likely play both. And also Star Citizen if it doesn't end up being the biggest scam in the game industry history.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#89 - 2014-10-24 18:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
John Arkarel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2014-10-28 01:35:22 UTC
Alright this is really the first time I have posted on the forums at all but after seeing all these "X game will kill eve" posts I can't stop myself. I own ED and played it while I was on a break from eve and after a week of while yes cool gameplay it just made me miss eve. I have now stopped playing ED for all intensive purposes and switched back to eve for a ton of reasons. Honestly neither ED or SC will even touch eve at all.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#91 - 2014-10-28 08:04:17 UTC
John Arkarel wrote:
Alright this is really the first time I have posted on the forums at all but after seeing all these "X game will kill eve" posts I can't stop myself. I own ED and played it while I was on a break from eve and after a week of while yes cool gameplay it just made me miss eve. I have now stopped playing ED for all intensive purposes and switched back to eve for a ton of reasons. Honestly neither ED or SC will even touch eve at all.


The thread title is a little controversial indeed. I opened this some time ago to address that, but it got closed as a duplicate. T_T

Anyway...

A nice panorama from Hyperion 5.

http://herlandgraphic.com/panorama/ed-aspexplorer-hyperion.swf

And some last screenshots from beta2, hopefully we will have our hands full with beta3 later today..C:

http://imgur.com/ZzJYdY3.png
http://imgur.com/jFSWI28.png
http://imgur.com/Ri918py.jpg
http://imgur.com/7jVy8UV.jpg

http://imgur.com/sk2XC2H.jpg
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http://imgur.com/SWEXLy4.jpg
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http://imgur.com/afjcvCp.jpg
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#92 - 2014-10-28 09:23:08 UTC
John Arkarel wrote:
Alright this is really the first time I have posted on the forums at all but after seeing all these "X game will kill eve" posts I can't stop myself. I own ED and played it while I was on a break from eve and after a week of while yes cool gameplay it just made me miss eve. I have now stopped playing ED for all intensive purposes and switched back to eve for a ton of reasons. Honestly neither ED or SC will even touch eve at all.


E:D is uncharted territory, literally. You need to explore it and ask yourself "can I do X?" and try doing it, or figure a way to do it. That's something the average EVE player never experienced, and those who did it, was a decade ago.

It's a brand new sandbox, and with each beta it grows bigger and better.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#93 - 2014-10-28 19:23:01 UTC
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#94 - 2014-10-28 19:34:56 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I didn't hear about Elite:Dangerous until rather recently, but the Oculus Rift community has jumped on it because it is the best Oculus Rift experience so far.

What Elite:Dangerous is...

Its an open world (perhaps open universe would be a better term) world that is basically a hard core game much like its early versions of its game in 1984. It hopes to emulate millions of star systems in the final release. It focuses heavily on combat, trading, smuggling, and various other enterprises worthy of its name.

Let me tell you about what Elite:Dangerous is now....

You can buy the beta version of the game for $75 US dollars. Although unfinished, if they had to release it today it would be worth getting. It is a space sim. Though sadly it still doesn't have full blow Newtonian physics (well neither does Star Citizen). Currently there are hundreds of systems. Some governed and some with anarchy.

That said, the police are not immortal and people in game have been known til kill a great deal of security vessels just because they interfered with them getting bounties off criminals (or they shot each other by accident).

In effect there is no concord. There are bounties, but because law enforcement is by system, it is rather easy to escape punishment for blowing up someone's ship. In anarchy systems, the stations won't lift a finger if you shoot other players docking as long as you don't hit the station.

The combat is good. I didn't play SC's arena commander but the combat was somewhat boring looking on twitch streams. ED's on the other hand is very exciting because of ship and shield management as well as weapon configurations.

Its much more interesting than EVEs lock and push F1.

Also, it is easier to lose all your stuff in ED than in EVE. Yes, this is a big statement, but I have on occasion hit boost button and flew into the station I was in loosing all my cargo and ship in the process. There is insurance, but its done afterwards (some say this is a problem) the death so if you don't have enough money to cover the loss then you are up the proverbial poop creek.

One of the new problems is that people are getting the newb ships and ramming other players who have weak ships while hauling cargo causing both players to lose their ships but since the newb ships are freely replaced then well...

Now before you go out and spend those $75 let me advise.

What ED is not....

ED is not a very social game. Communications are difficult for a reason. Currently you cannot trade directly (players get around this by buying expensive goods and eject them near stations with black markets used for smuggling goods). The chat functions are non-existant and lord help you if you try to try to talk to someone before shooting them.

ED is not massive in number of players you expect to interact with. It uses peer to peer network code allowing for 16-32 players in a sessions. Yes, if you fly to Freeport (anarchy system) you will get shot at and have targets to shoot at (especially smugglers trying to sneak in with stolen gold). So no. There will not be massive fleet fights in EVE. IMO this is forgivable because I never enjoyed massive fleet fights with TIDI taking 5 minutes to do anything.

Also there are going to be so many star systems that if you fly away from the core systems you may not run into any players (there will be NPCs making it an alive universe).

Also the economy is currently NPC based. Goods are manufactures by planets, bought buy players, and sold back to the NPCs. This may change when players get storage (it will change with mining at least). But the design documents are rather unclear if there will be player manufacturing.

Anyways... What this wall of text is about is. ED is almost a finish game. You can get it now if you want. I believe EVE players will flock to it rather than Star Citizen (because you can get it now and its more open to bad behavior).

Now CCP is going to counter this with Valkyrie but thats not EVE. It has Oculus Rift support (which is great), but it still leaves EVE without OR support. Once you have ED you can forget about having to grind for PLEX or pay for monthly subscriptions. Even if you have 50% as much fun in ED, it is still worth it.

Also the design documents are rather glorious. ED is releasing mining on October 28th and it will be much more interactive than EVE's system where you have to knock chunks off the asteroids and then catch it with your cargo scoop on your ship.

Well don't take my word for it, go check the ED streams on Twitch or the Youtube videos... Its shaping up to be a very excellent game.



Consitering how eve players whined about loot spew, the mining mechanic sounds like a pita. Also if ED is FTP then you can play both eve and ED with no issues. Esp with the unlimited queue, set a bunch of skills, play ED for a week, come pack to new stuff in eve. shrugs

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#95 - 2014-10-31 18:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
And the latest newsletter is out. Beta stops at the 22nd of November!
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=ed3d21f568

and a nice ice moon to go with that..

http://imgur.com/Baf72ut.jpg

Also they posted a pretty nice video about The making of ED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb55EsHuXiQ
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#96 - 2014-10-31 19:20:20 UTC
That ice moon is actually pretty impressive.

-k8

My Fanclub
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#97 - 2014-11-01 21:32:25 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
That ice moon is actually pretty impressive.


Yeah, celestial objects are getting better and better with each iteration. The plan in the future (a year or so after release I suppose) is to extend the LoD down to the ground level, and enable freeform atmospheric flying and FPS exploration.

If they do manage it, it will be great imo. Especially since everything is in 1:1 scale.

Some more images of celestial objects etc from the beta...

https://i.imgur.com/LzfXoVw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tmZA9Gh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UuRTgOB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/w4eDk3P.png
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https://i.imgur.com/mymG33t.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/nKjMlqQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/dSnWKQB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4b01CIt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0wTbhFX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/icTWejm.jpg
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#98 - 2014-11-02 04:55:25 UTC
Damn, that makes me wish eve looked that good.

-k8

My Fanclub
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#99 - 2014-11-07 19:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Release date announced. 16th of December.
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=721f168fd0

Also, a pretty cool video about their development plan after release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yd-m9AR7mY

I'm mostly looking forward to the planetary expansion stuff. For example...

Cephei Sector QT-A B4-0
http://imgur.com/ZoDUlba.png

want to go down there dammit...if they manage it, we will finally have a worthy sequel to Frontier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbegNmKRZUM
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#100 - 2014-11-10 00:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mharius Skjem
raven666wings wrote:
I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there!

These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra???

What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now!

Omg, even EVE's website front page now has a yellow button like the Elite: Dangerous' site and it's new store! ED webmasters even had to change their button's color to orange to stay original!


This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction, despite claims made by its CEO in this interview, where he states that "It's easy to go and look at all the new shiny things that are coming but we don't want to be doing that. We want to stick to our guns".

It's somewhat understandable that CCP's stakeholders might be afraid to lose costumers to a game like Elite, the godfather of space trading and combat simulators and a pioneer in 3d computer graphics and procedural generation, that served as role model for EVE Online itself aswell as other games like Wing Commander and Freelancer.

ED's early backer rewards program has recently closed with over 40.000 backers donating over £2 million pounds of crowdfunding swag. The alpha build is now live. (If you aren't lucky enough to be one of the backers with Alpha build access, you can check this twitch feed for streamers.) Open world sandbox and space simulation fans are highly optimistic about the game and anxious to get their hands on the final release.
And it's not for less. The game is looking gorgeous and will give players the freedom to roam/resource gather/trade/pirate/fight in more than 100 billion procedurally generated star systems (including our own) with moving celestials, real 1:1 scale and physics. Oculus Rift support is currently working on the alpha build, future expansions confirmed by Braben include avatar gameplay, atmospheric entry and planet landing/exploration. The game will have no monthly fees but they do plan on charging for these expansions. Early backers who funded £80 or more will have free access to all of them, besides the satisfaction of knowing they helped once more to kick big publishers in the nuts with another epic crowdfunded project Twisted

Will this game kill EVE? Will we abandon New Eden forever? Of course not, but it will surely hurt CCP's finances, not only by attracting a lot of its current playerbase but also by offering a fresh and high quality game to the space sandbox MMO genre newcomers.
EVE could be top dog in the industry by offering a top quality product to the players, but CCP decided to pursue other ventures and is now playing catch-up with its new competition.
Care to share your thoughts?


Do you remember all the avatar based trailers ccp brought out to compete with x afterbirth. They even brought the date of the expansion forward to compete with egosofts launch date.

An online mmo competing with an offline single player game. It was a new low for ccp.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...