Crime & Punishment

It's some middle ground between communism and egalitarianism everyone gets a cut of the loot in one form or another. I havent done a thing with code and I can see that so you are either being a reality denier or stupid.

You answered your own question.

ISK isn't the point. So why distribute it evenly like some happy utopia of cuddles and fun when everyone in said fleet has the same basic understanding that said ISK will be used to purchase more cats which in turn will provide more kills that can provide more ISK to fund even more cats that in turn will then be used to fund future KMs....

Let me make it really simple for you. It's like the directions on a bottle of shampoo.

Rinse.
Repeat.

Oh also, if you notice my avatar has goggles now. CODE purchase them for me. Not because of anything specific I did, but because GOGGLES!

Again, your replies have all been based off the fact you think they should be getting a share, when they just want to blow stuff up and couldn't care less what the drop is and what their split is. What they want and what you think they should get are two different things.

As for your sperg, here are a few examples:
Saying they haven't accomplished anything when they have killed 7tril+ in 2 years time and are a constant source of content in-game and on these forums
Sarcasm meter broken
Non-Content thread.

Care to address the rest of that post?

Are you implying that the deficit is covered, but only barely, by the loot?

Basically it boils down to this: If CODE makes a ton of ISK (more than enough to cover the purported deficit) then once the deficit is covered, it would be fair to share the wealth with the front line soldiers who actually "show up" for the ganks. If CODE is really a result of the generosity of James donating his personal ISK to fund it, then it's not a profit-making enterprise. If THAT is true, then it's an unprofitable enterprise, and arguably a violation of the EULA. (Since he makes such an eloquent argument for CODE activities not being a violation of the EULA because of the expectation of profit on his website.)

I'm not implying anything. I am presenting the publicly available data as a source to form an opinion.

You are just making stuff up as you go along and applying the way you think the game should be played to your opinion about how CODE should be operating so that you can state its all a scam. How can it be a scam if everyone within the organization is perfectly happy with the way things are operating?


No one said anything about the money coming out of James' personal ISK. They said he is giving the isk out he has collected. They are two different things.

Wow, that's ... the same link, to the same post, pasted three times, masquerading as 3 separate posts.

For the win sir....

For .. the .. win.

Thanks, but I already know where to find my post history, just like you do. And this proves....what?

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. At least that's what I'm hoping, as the alternative that it's not deliberate is even worse. The implication, as anyone could see, is that the answer to your rhetorical question was that the loot goes to cover the deficit between the donations and the losses. If you're going to resort to intellectual dishonesty like this, and at the same time try to launch ad hominem attacks based on other posts in other threads, then you're wasting everyone's time. That's not content, that's what I believe you'd characterize is "sperg".



Stealth brag... isn't so stealthy, is unprovable, and likely to be greatly exaggerated. But let's assume it's true. Aren't you only proving that their income is so large that they can afford that kind of profit leakage without batting an eye?

Your comment about the bank scam only points out that the two situations are not perfectly analogous. If you think starting and then cleaning out a SRP is somehow not considered a scam simply because no one expected to get paid an equal share directly then, welp... I mean, isn't the expectation that the SRP is a (P)rogram to (R)eplace their (S)hips? If James and cohorts decide tomorrow that they're tired of their tired RP and walk away with the ISK, it was a scam, no?

Yes, way more than I am. You're demanding that I answer your rhetorical question. The only purpose that would serve is to somehow validate your untenable position. I'll humor you though: Sure, loot goes to "make up the deficit." That doesn't mean that the loot does not FAR exceed the deficit.



I've already quantified it "better than a 'TON'" here. Please try to keep pace. I've also asked CODE leadership, in this thread, for that data. Their refusal to answer tells its own story. Why don't you ask them, considering you're cozy enough with them to be cuddled right up to their gank victims to steal 5 bill in loot? Maybe they will oblige.



Confirming that you believe cleaning out the CODE SRP tomorrow and shutting it all down would NOT indicate that a scam had taken place.

I'm not exactly sure what it is you are trying to accomplish here. Are you attempting to convince me that CODE is NOT an extremely profitable enterprise fattening the ISK wallets of those running it? If so, why do you care so much about my conclusion? If not, then what's your point? I believe it is a fine scam, worthy of praise, and analysis. I believe that the loot goes partly toward funding the SRP but mostly toward fattening their wallets. I believe that it is hilarious that CODE isn't sharing loot with their gank pilots. That is, after all, in response to the OP. You apparently believe that I am wrong, that CODE is not very profitable due to occasional empty freighters, and stolen loots, and is therefore NOT a fine scam, but some sort of non-profit enterprise that is barely breaking even.

Until CODE steps up and provides a definitive answer, I'll be content to go on believing that it's all about the money. Why? Because it's always all about the money, unless proven otherwise. And their lack of transparency on the issue backs up my conclusion.

So let me get this straight. After looking at what CODE. does, reading their blog, and being entertained by what they engage in... I then think to my self "Anal Canal" (Yes I speak to myself in the third person) "This seems like something fun, and I haven't done this yet in the game. Anal Canal, you have done low/null/Wspace, but never this" So I queue up some training skills, get into a basic fit cat and just go. I have a blast! It was great! Much fun was had, and in fact I can finally answer Aelius Maximus Decimus Meridius's question. "Yes I was entertained, thank you" So after a month or so of being active I felt that I should at least give something back. Now understand, I had purchase some Cats for myself just to learn the ropes. I'd say you would know they would be like training wheels but I sadly doubt you have done anything other than shoot red crosses or rocks. (And yes this was not fact checked, nor do I care. Because opinions.) I was even assisted at this point with Arrrgggghhhh helping me out with some basic principles of this. Anyways, back to the point. I felt that I needed to do something. So 3 donated PLEX, and I think I am hovering around 1B of shares that I willingly purchased later, here I am. Now the reason I bring this up is you questioning about the metrics that are listed on our alliance blotter. Well remember that Venture contest? Donations, was that a scam? I don't think so, I call it player made content. If I want to give my wealth and assets away willing to help fund the part of this game that I find the most entertaining, how is that considered a scam? Let us use a real world example. So in a world far far away and a long time ago, there where these things called movie theaters. You would pay money to watch moving pictures that most of the time had sound involved. Some happen to be bad, some happen to be good. You would read the reviews, see if it got a thumbs up from the jawless Ebert, and ignore whatever that fat new **** who replaced the skinny guy who died of a heart attack. Go to the previously mentioned theater. Watch the thumbs up movie. Enjoy it! Want to watch the announced sequel. Watch said sequel. Enjoy it. So at this point I have paid the theater for tickets for said film. Most of which goes to the production company. Let's call it MGM as a hypothetical movie company. I willing purchased said tickets, giving them my money, for a movie I was entertained by, all due from something I read that I felt from it context I would be entertained. I am happy. Movie was great. That mass gaping jaw of Ebert was correct, thumbs up. Is that a scam? No.

Now I understand you will be all going WTF am I talking about with random things and what not. (DeCSS) But like I just wanted to try to direct you to understand that most of the players in CODE. are playing for fun. It is what the choose to do, and are entertained by it. It is no different than that production house. And like said production house, there needs to be seed money for initial funding to keep ....